From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.io!.POSTED.blaine.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Tim Cross Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: Re: [ANN] The 2022 Emacs User Survey is now open! Date: Tue, 25 Oct 2022 10:26:49 +1100 Message-ID: <865yg8kcqp.fsf@gmail.com> References: <874jvtmrjv.fsf@tecosaur.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Injection-Info: ciao.gmane.io; posting-host="blaine.gmane.org:116.202.254.214"; logging-data="21442"; mail-complaints-to="usenet@ciao.gmane.io" User-Agent: mu4e 1.9.1; emacs 29.0.50 To: emacs-devel@gnu.org Original-X-From: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Tue Oct 25 01:55:53 2022 Return-path: Envelope-to: ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane-mx.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([209.51.188.17]) by ciao.gmane.io with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.92) (envelope-from ) id 1on7IP-0005Jb-9u for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane-mx.org; Tue, 25 Oct 2022 01:55:53 +0200 Original-Received: from localhost ([::1] helo=lists1p.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1on7EX-0001Zh-Ic; Mon, 24 Oct 2022 19:51:53 -0400 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:470:142:3::10]) by lists.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1on781-0004Iu-Fw for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Mon, 24 Oct 2022 19:45:09 -0400 Original-Received: from mail-pl1-x62e.google.com ([2607:f8b0:4864:20::62e]) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_128_GCM_SHA256:128) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1on77z-0003vm-AL for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Mon, 24 Oct 2022 19:45:09 -0400 Original-Received: by mail-pl1-x62e.google.com with SMTP id u6so9749401plq.12 for ; Mon, 24 Oct 2022 16:45:06 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20210112; h=content-transfer-encoding:mime-version:message-id:in-reply-to:date :subject:to:from:user-agent:references:from:to:cc:subject:date :message-id:reply-to; bh=7QSJ3SlKjwnf12215A0KOXVdoKV0U3oSAPbeQbBNFXg=; b=U5YFL5DTNhQ6Hz58P33hl34+HJP3oeqzd7Ga6PcMnpmgnY0PHc+ON0xGcQUL/QOz+K 8r16k7T6YpXtNwL0Qcu6ZC3Yu+0FV67DcXJzxXsdSqag5xIGFKsH3JPgYcgnboXLEpxA EyQ+Rh9goigtO4Gnx/kCSMG00D00MbTM5j1HBgN/Yr4VreYw4FbdGwtOwP0Sok4TAl3+ z3ojebvwOijIlovcIoJncrXRIOa52q7cPnujCuOHKt8n3tRMWYJPHk9kkIoWQVqZYCUK qAAbNC+BTSIC0TI0ZNVq/BLpFNrEC+OVikaKmCrvUj9hlL9/ro5ftGMxJSusXvO2YulH m5gQ== X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20210112; h=content-transfer-encoding:mime-version:message-id:in-reply-to:date :subject:to:from:user-agent:references:x-gm-message-state:from:to:cc :subject:date:message-id:reply-to; bh=7QSJ3SlKjwnf12215A0KOXVdoKV0U3oSAPbeQbBNFXg=; b=UWWvcHDR0Bl4PsJrBPuA/DREP3sD711Kia4802uau01fRvDRQRU0qnEu4Tx4PSOdXK rzDHeHvR6z1PbkyEPMLnpPoLxxRHsEiduv0ctDSZYPmXS/oaFwxxNxbMSUlWcVStig2+ /4TouiNxPMiRyx0aCjR+qpS/NYB5Z/PHho0YW74/h1PGMSe6jx3yoQzVuTGdUAI82D5h V3q+6D+IwCiTUJQgc3ezv3bN81LR6ZhmvVKTWbgYed9x4wMkbs1Vx49Euqt+DD35Hm13 7z/8vcmZ1weDpRkq4uCD5pQXBPzIX7H2dOYKepQYpbxQ2Num5jxJi72J3TKMsmzOy6uh rCHg== X-Gm-Message-State: ACrzQf3ngo1DcxfMWkYteBMGtVEdPSlp10xMl4EMxobyWBw0jjyY7SYs 0m+kEf2HhVaPj/n3hp/HWUpE1Ob3M5g= X-Google-Smtp-Source: AMsMyM7kji5vOKUrDJpHzTi128Uv1+XPFP6AZpHqYV9tiaRUTe3ndj0OojdkiR8bHudJKkFHoRNtjA== X-Received: by 2002:a17:90a:7849:b0:20d:2d54:65d with SMTP id y9-20020a17090a784900b0020d2d54065dmr77159858pjl.219.1666655105706; Mon, 24 Oct 2022 16:45:05 -0700 (PDT) Original-Received: from dingbat (ppp121-45-155-118.bri-pow-que-bras32.tpg.internode.on.net. [121.45.155.118]) by smtp.gmail.com with ESMTPSA id d15-20020a170902cecf00b00178a8f4d4f2sm251974plg.74.2022.10.24.16.45.04 for (version=TLS1_3 cipher=TLS_AES_256_GCM_SHA384 bits=256/256); Mon, 24 Oct 2022 16:45:05 -0700 (PDT) In-reply-to: <874jvtmrjv.fsf@tecosaur.net> Received-SPF: pass client-ip=2607:f8b0:4864:20::62e; envelope-from=theophilusx@gmail.com; helo=mail-pl1-x62e.google.com X-Spam_score_int: -20 X-Spam_score: -2.1 X-Spam_bar: -- X-Spam_report: (-2.1 / 5.0 requ) BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_EF=-0.1, FREEMAIL_FROM=0.001, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE=-0.0001, SPF_HELO_NONE=0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001 autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no X-Spam_action: no action X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Original-Sender: "Emacs-devel" Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.io gmane.emacs.devel:298433 Archived-At: I agree with Po. The question "When you discover a new package that looks interesting, what do you do next?" needs a do nothing or perhaps "Wait until I actually need it before trying it out". I see many 'interesting' packages, but most of them I don't try or use because despite being interesting, they add no value to what I actually do. More generally, I feel the questions about packages have a slight bias towards a behaviour which I frequently see, but feel is often misguided. That is, to madly install lots of packages, most of which you never use (a behaviour common in other systems which use a package system to extend functionality). I am on a number of lists/forums where people often want support/help with Emacs. A very common resolution for issues they are encountering is to remove lots of unused and unnecessary packages. Frequently, once we cut down to only the packages they actually use, problems they have encountered go away.=20 My use case is that while I may note an interesting looking package in my Emacs notes file, I am unlikely to ever install it unless it addresses some issue I am running into. I tend not to actually monitor the release of new packages. Instead, I will look for an appropriate package when I identify some need or weakness in current workflow. It isn't easy to express this use case in the survey.=20 Timothy writes: > Hi All, > > I=E2=80=99m thrilled to announce that the Emacs User Survey 2022 is now o= pen to > responses. It is my hope that this may help emacs-devel, Emacs package > maintainers, and the wider Emacs community, develop a better understandin= g of > how people experience Emacs on a day-to-day basis. > > > > The survey will be open from October 24th to November 30th. > > This time there are /no/ non-free Javascript or user-tracking caveats as = this > features a bespoke survey framework written from scratch for the Emacs Us= er > Survey to support a pure HTML-forms + CSS approach with server-side rende= ring > =F0=9F=8E=89. > > See the [FAQ] for more information on the survey itself. > > It would be fantastic for this to be shared as far and wide as possible, = to get > responses from a large swathe of the community. If you can share this wit= h Emacs > communities you are a part of, as well as any friends or colleagues that = use > Emacs, that would be much appreciated. > > We can look forward to a discussion of the (preliminary) results in Emacs= Conf: > . > > All the best, > Timothy > > > [FAQ]