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From: Eli Zaretskii <eliz@gnu.org>
To: "Gerd Möllmann" <gerd.moellmann@gmail.com>
Cc: acorallo@gnu.org, eller.helmut@gmail.com, pipcet@protonmail.com,
	emacs-devel@gnu.org
Subject: Re: MPS: out-of-memory
Date: Mon, 08 Jul 2024 14:57:02 +0300	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <865xtg14hd.fsf@gnu.org> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <m2sewk8cdy.fsf@pro2.fritz.box> (message from Gerd Möllmann on Mon, 08 Jul 2024 11:24:25 +0200)

[I've changed the Subject, since this ceased to be about weak hash
tables long ago.]

> From: Gerd Möllmann <gerd.moellmann@gmail.com>
> Cc: Helmut Eller <eller.helmut@gmail.com>,  Eli Zaretskii <eliz@gnu.org>,
>   pipcet@protonmail.com,  emacs-devel@gnu.org
> Date: Mon, 08 Jul 2024 11:24:25 +0200
> 
> Andrea Corallo <acorallo@gnu.org> writes:
> 
> >>   ./src/emacs -Q -batch -l \
> >>   ~/.emacs.d/elpa/elisp-benchmarks-1.14/elisp-benchmarks.el --eval \
> >>   '(elisp-benchmarks-run "pidigits" nil 1)'
> >>
> >> finishes and requires 41.82 seconds compared to the 12.26 of the non-MPS
> >> version.  And it uses something like 2.8 GB compared to 350 MB of the
> >> non-MPS version (estimated by looking at the RES column in top).
> >
> > Such a difference in memory footprint is because MPS can't GC at the
> > speed the main thread is allocating or for some other reason?
> 
> Yes, that's it basically. The client is allocating at a high rate,
> and not much is dying until the end of that phase. Both together mean
> that MPS is scanning like wild to make some room, without having a
> chance to find something it can discard.

Btw, the current GC in Emacs has a feature for when Emacs runs out of
memory: it sets some small amount of memory aside, and uses it when
"memory-full" condition happens, because some memory is needed to show
the memory-full error message, and then shut down in an orderly
fashion:

  void
  memory_full (size_t nbytes)
  {
    if (!initialized)
      fatal ("memory exhausted");

    /* Do not go into hysterics merely because a large request failed.  */
    bool enough_free_memory = false;
    if (SPARE_MEMORY < nbytes)
      {
	void *p;

	MALLOC_BLOCK_INPUT;
	p = malloc (SPARE_MEMORY);
	if (p)
	  {
	    free (p);
	    enough_free_memory = true;
	  }
	MALLOC_UNBLOCK_INPUT;
      }

    if (! enough_free_memory)
      {
	Vmemory_full = Qt;
	consing_until_gc = min (consing_until_gc, memory_full_cons_threshold);

	/* The first time we get here, free the spare memory.  */
	for (int i = 0; i < ARRAYELTS (spare_memory); i++)
	  if (spare_memory[i])
	    {
	      if (i == 0)
		free (spare_memory[i]);
	      else if (i >= 1 && i <= 4)
		lisp_align_free (spare_memory[i]);
	      else
		lisp_free (spare_memory[i]);
	      spare_memory[i] = 0;
	    }
      }

    /* This used to call error, but if we've run out of memory, we could
       get infinite recursion trying to build the string.  */
    xsignal (Qnil, Vmemory_signal_data);
  }

See also refill_memory_reserve.

Do we perhaps need something like that with MPS?



  parent reply	other threads:[~2024-07-08 11:57 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 196+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2024-07-01 20:47 MPS: weak hash tables Gerd Möllmann
2024-07-01 21:16 ` Pip Cet
2024-07-01 23:10   ` Pip Cet
2024-07-02  4:19     ` Gerd Möllmann
2024-07-02  5:47     ` Gerd Möllmann
2024-07-02  6:23       ` Pip Cet
2024-07-02  6:55         ` Gerd Möllmann
2024-07-02  9:15           ` Pip Cet
2024-07-02  9:37             ` Gerd Möllmann
2024-07-02 10:11               ` Gerd Möllmann
2024-07-02 11:36               ` Gerd Möllmann
2024-07-02 13:15                 ` Eli Zaretskii
2024-07-02 13:16                   ` Gerd Möllmann
2024-07-02 13:42                     ` Eli Zaretskii
2024-07-02 15:03                       ` Pip Cet
2024-07-02 15:17                         ` Helmut Eller
2024-07-02 15:35                         ` Eli Zaretskii
2024-07-02 16:34                           ` Pip Cet
2024-07-02 18:20                             ` Eli Zaretskii
2024-07-02 20:16                               ` Pip Cet
2024-07-03  6:30                               ` Gerd Möllmann
2024-07-03 11:23                                 ` Eli Zaretskii
2024-07-03 11:28                                   ` Gerd Möllmann
2024-07-02 13:02             ` Eli Zaretskii
2024-07-02 12:45           ` Eli Zaretskii
2024-07-02 11:23         ` Helmut Eller
2024-07-03  6:11           ` Gerd Möllmann
2024-07-03  6:33             ` Pip Cet
2024-07-03  7:04               ` Gerd Möllmann
2024-07-03  7:24                 ` Helmut Eller
2024-07-03  7:25                 ` Pip Cet
2024-07-03  7:38                   ` Gerd Möllmann
2024-07-03  8:26                     ` Gerd Möllmann
2024-07-03  9:31                       ` Pip Cet
2024-07-03 10:22                         ` Gerd Möllmann
2024-07-03 10:41                           ` Pip Cet
2024-07-03 11:17                             ` Gerd Möllmann
2024-07-03 20:20                           ` Pip Cet
2024-07-04  7:17                             ` Gerd Möllmann
2024-07-04 15:24                               ` Pip Cet
2024-07-04 16:53                                 ` Gerd Möllmann
2024-07-04 20:05                                   ` Pip Cet
2024-07-05  3:50                                     ` Gerd Möllmann
2024-07-05 12:08                                       ` Pip Cet
2024-07-05 12:54                                         ` Gerd Möllmann
2024-07-05 13:27                                         ` Eli Zaretskii
2024-07-05 20:35                                           ` Pip Cet
2024-07-06  6:10                                             ` Eli Zaretskii
2024-07-06  6:31                                               ` Pip Cet
2024-07-06  7:00                                                 ` Eli Zaretskii
2024-07-06  7:40                                                   ` Gerd Möllmann
2024-07-06  9:13                                                   ` Pip Cet
2024-07-06 10:59                                                     ` Eli Zaretskii
2024-07-05 18:14                                         ` Helmut Eller
2024-07-05 19:25                                           ` Pip Cet
2024-07-06  3:39                                             ` Gerd Möllmann
2024-07-06  5:58                                               ` Pip Cet
2024-07-06  6:20                                                 ` Gerd Möllmann
2024-07-06  6:29                                                   ` Pip Cet
2024-07-06  6:51                                                     ` Gerd Möllmann
2024-07-06  6:46                                                 ` Eli Zaretskii
2024-07-06  9:23                                                   ` Pip Cet
2024-07-06 11:03                                                     ` Eli Zaretskii
2024-07-06  3:38                                           ` Gerd Möllmann
2024-07-06  9:47                                             ` Helmut Eller
2024-07-06 10:38                                               ` Gerd Möllmann
2024-07-06 11:13                                               ` Eli Zaretskii
2024-07-06 13:50                                                 ` Helmut Eller
2024-07-06 13:59                                                   ` Eli Zaretskii
2024-07-06 14:38                                                     ` Gerd Möllmann
2024-07-06 16:20                                                     ` Helmut Eller
2024-07-06 16:33                                                       ` Eli Zaretskii
2024-07-06 16:48                                                         ` Helmut Eller
2024-07-06 17:21                                                           ` Eli Zaretskii
2024-07-06 17:59                                                             ` Helmut Eller
2024-07-06 18:14                                                             ` Gerd Möllmann
2024-07-06 18:56                                                               ` Eli Zaretskii
2024-07-06 11:37                                               ` Pip Cet
2024-07-06 11:40                                               ` Gerd Möllmann
2024-07-06 11:57                                               ` Gerd Möllmann
2024-07-06 12:03                                                 ` Eli Zaretskii
2024-07-06 12:16                                                   ` Gerd Möllmann
2024-07-06 12:23                                                     ` Pip Cet
2024-07-06 12:39                                                       ` Gerd Möllmann
2024-07-06 12:30                                                     ` Eli Zaretskii
2024-07-06 12:43                                                       ` Gerd Möllmann
2024-07-06 13:53                                                         ` Eli Zaretskii
2024-07-06 12:36                                                     ` Gerd Möllmann
2024-07-06 14:00                                                       ` Helmut Eller
2024-07-06 14:08                                                         ` Gerd Möllmann
2024-07-06 14:24                                                           ` Gerd Möllmann
2024-07-06 14:44                                                           ` Helmut Eller
2024-07-06 14:52                                                             ` Gerd Möllmann
2024-07-06 15:49                                                               ` Pip Cet
2024-07-06 16:31                                                                 ` Gerd Möllmann
2024-07-06 16:56                                                                   ` Pip Cet
2024-07-06 17:28                                                                     ` Gerd Möllmann
2024-07-06 17:31                                                                       ` Gerd Möllmann
2024-07-06 18:30                                                                       ` Pip Cet
2024-07-06 20:00                                                                         ` Gerd Möllmann
2024-07-06 20:09                                                                           ` Ihor Radchenko
2024-07-07  3:55                                                                             ` Gerd Möllmann
2024-07-07  4:27                                                                             ` Gerd Möllmann
2024-07-07  4:30                                                                               ` Gerd Möllmann
2024-07-07  6:38                                                                               ` Pip Cet
2024-07-07  7:31                                                                                 ` Gerd Möllmann
2024-07-07  7:44                                                                                 ` Helmut Eller
2024-07-07  8:10                                                                                   ` Gerd Möllmann
2024-07-07  8:24                                                                                     ` Gerd Möllmann
2024-07-07  8:47                                                                                       ` Pip Cet
2024-07-07  9:24                                                                                         ` Gerd Möllmann
2024-07-07  9:26                                                                                           ` Gerd Möllmann
2024-07-07 10:47                                                                                           ` Eli Zaretskii
2024-07-07 11:19                                                                                             ` Gerd Möllmann
2024-07-07 14:09                                                                                               ` Eli Zaretskii
2024-07-07 14:15                                                                                                 ` Gerd Möllmann
2024-07-07 14:42                                                                                                   ` Eli Zaretskii
2024-07-07 14:52                                                                                                     ` Gerd Möllmann
2024-07-07 15:34                                                                                                       ` Eli Zaretskii
2024-07-07 15:36                                                                                                         ` Gerd Möllmann
2024-07-07 16:00                                                                                                           ` Eli Zaretskii
2024-07-07 17:08                                                                                                             ` Gerd Möllmann
2024-07-07 17:49                                                                                                               ` Eli Zaretskii
2024-07-07 18:15                                                                                                                 ` Gerd Möllmann
2024-07-07 18:22                                                                                                                   ` Eli Zaretskii
2024-07-07 18:29                                                                                                                     ` Gerd Möllmann
2024-07-07 14:16                                                                                                 ` Gerd Möllmann
2024-07-07 14:18                                                                                                   ` Gerd Möllmann
2024-07-07 10:57                                                                                           ` Pip Cet
2024-07-07 11:35                                                                                             ` Gerd Möllmann
2024-07-07 11:48                                                                                               ` Gerd Möllmann
2024-07-07 14:07                                                                                                 ` Gerd Möllmann
2024-07-07 14:21                                                                                                 ` Pip Cet
2024-07-07 14:27                                                                                                   ` Gerd Möllmann
2024-07-07 15:22                                                                                                   ` Helmut Eller
2024-07-07 15:40                                                                                                     ` Gerd Möllmann
2024-07-07 15:52                                                                                                       ` Helmut Eller
2024-07-07 15:56                                                                                                         ` Gerd Möllmann
2024-07-07 15:57                                                                                                         ` Pip Cet
2024-07-07 16:26                                                                                                           ` Helmut Eller
2024-07-07 17:03                                                                                                             ` Gerd Möllmann
2024-07-07 18:40                                                                                                               ` Gerd Möllmann
2024-07-07 18:53                                                                                                                 ` Helmut Eller
2024-07-07 19:00                                                                                                                   ` Gerd Möllmann
2024-07-07 19:31                                                                                                                     ` Pip Cet
2024-07-07 19:36                                                                                                                       ` Gerd Möllmann
2024-07-08  9:11                                                                                                                     ` MPS: commit limit Gerd Möllmann
2024-07-10  6:46                                                                                                                       ` Helmut Eller
2024-07-10  7:08                                                                                                                         ` Gerd Möllmann
2024-07-16 15:16                                                                                                                       ` Helmut Eller
2024-07-16 15:27                                                                                                                         ` Eli Zaretskii
2024-07-16 15:43                                                                                                                           ` Helmut Eller
2024-07-16 15:54                                                                                                                             ` Eli Zaretskii
2024-07-16 16:29                                                                                                                               ` Helmut Eller
2024-07-16 16:39                                                                                                                                 ` Gerd Möllmann
2024-07-16 16:43                                                                                                                                   ` Pip Cet
2024-07-16 16:56                                                                                                                                     ` Gerd Möllmann
2024-07-16 15:32                                                                                                                         ` Eli Zaretskii
2024-07-16 16:27                                                                                                                           ` Helmut Eller
2024-07-16 18:49                                                                                                                             ` Pip Cet
2024-07-17  6:15                                                                                                                               ` Helmut Eller
2024-07-16 16:32                                                                                                                         ` Pip Cet
2024-07-16 16:48                                                                                                                           ` Helmut Eller
2024-07-08  5:11                                                                                                             ` MPS: weak hash tables Pip Cet
2024-07-08  5:17                                                                                                               ` Gerd Möllmann
2024-07-08  5:37                                                                                                                 ` Pip Cet
2024-07-08  5:43                                                                                                                   ` Gerd Möllmann
2024-07-07  8:49                                                                                       ` Gerd Möllmann
2024-07-08  9:16                                                         ` Andrea Corallo
2024-07-08  9:24                                                           ` Gerd Möllmann
2024-07-08  9:54                                                             ` Andrea Corallo
2024-07-08 10:10                                                               ` Gerd Möllmann
2024-07-08 11:57                                                             ` Eli Zaretskii [this message]
2024-07-08 13:46                                                               ` MPS: out-of-memory Gerd Möllmann
2024-07-08 16:45                                                                 ` Pip Cet
2024-07-08 18:26                                                                   ` Gerd Möllmann
2024-07-08 19:44                                                                     ` Pip Cet
2024-07-09  3:58                                                                       ` Gerd Möllmann
2024-07-08 18:27                                                                   ` Helmut Eller
2024-07-08 18:31                                                                     ` Gerd Möllmann
2024-07-08 19:14                                                                       ` Eli Zaretskii
2024-07-08 19:35                                                                         ` Gerd Möllmann
2024-07-08 19:08                                                                     ` Eli Zaretskii
2024-07-08 19:31                                                                     ` Pip Cet
2024-07-04 15:22                         ` MPS: weak hash tables Helmut Eller
2024-07-04 15:33                           ` Pip Cet
2024-07-04 16:46                             ` Gerd Möllmann
2024-07-04 16:43                           ` Gerd Möllmann
2024-07-02 13:50         ` Mattias Engdegård
2024-07-02  6:57     ` Gerd Möllmann
2024-07-02  7:15       ` Gerd Möllmann
2024-07-02  8:46         ` Ihor Radchenko
2024-07-02  8:59           ` Gerd Möllmann
2024-07-02  9:33             ` Ihor Radchenko
2024-07-02  9:35               ` Pip Cet
2024-07-02 11:03                 ` Ihor Radchenko

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