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List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.io gmane.emacs.devel:322538 Archived-At: Richard Stallman writes: >> Customization and Extensibility: Emacs allows users to tailor=20 >> the editor to their specific needs, whether it=A1=AFs through=20 >> themes, keybindings, or custom commands. ... >> We can also suggest learning paths for users who wish to=20 >> explore Emacs Lisp further, ensuring that this advanced=20 >> knowledge is available without being a barrier to entry. > > I agree it would be good to present briefly the benefits of Lisp=20 > and how they affect using Emacs. I'm ambivalent about Lisp, but I've often wondered whether it was=20 "always" going to be the "right" choice for Emacs due to its=20 support for destructive update and homoiconicity. It means modifying the editor's code from within the editor,=20 without restarting the editor, is possible, and I'm not sure the=20 semantics of other languages support that as straightforwardly. Thanks and regards, - Joel