From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: David Kastrup Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: Re: Debian's idiosyncratic complexification of Emacs Date: Tue, 15 Jul 2008 11:48:45 +0200 Message-ID: <864p6rscjm.fsf@lola.quinscape.zz> References: <87skug6tq5.fsf@catnip.gol.com> <4eb0089f0807111345h13eccdds9b2cf43370b94074@mail.gmail.com> <4eb0089f0807121340x5e26f6dbve03ef50b238f3a3a@mail.gmail.com> <87k5fph5rh.fsf@stupidchicken.com> <20080713214648.GB1076@muc.de> <487A783B.7060603@gmail.com> <20080713232635.GD1076@muc.de> <85od51id2t.fsf@lola.goethe.zz> <20080714204242.GH6711@volo.donarmstrong.com> <20080714223059.GG3445@muc.de> <8763r858dx.fsf@uwakimon.sk.tsukuba.ac.jp> <87prpgrm7i.fsf@catnip.gol.com> <758ED2B7-1F24-447C-B155-6A4C9659B7D7@member.fsf.org> NNTP-Posting-Host: lo.gmane.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Trace: ger.gmane.org 1216115941 14399 80.91.229.12 (15 Jul 2008 09:59:01 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@ger.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Tue, 15 Jul 2008 09:59:01 +0000 (UTC) Cc: Alan Mackenzie , "Stephen J. Turnbull" , Geoffrey Teale , emacs-devel@gnu.org To: Miles Bader Original-X-From: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Tue Jul 15 11:59:49 2008 Return-path: Envelope-to: ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([199.232.76.165]) by lo.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.50) id 1KIhK0-0002OR-El for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Tue, 15 Jul 2008 11:59:48 +0200 Original-Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:33176 helo=lists.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1KIhJ8-0004ZT-9t for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Tue, 15 Jul 2008 05:58:54 -0400 Original-Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1KIh9Q-00009w-Qw for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Tue, 15 Jul 2008 05:48:53 -0400 Original-Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1KIh9O-00008t-Qm for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Tue, 15 Jul 2008 05:48:51 -0400 Original-Received: from [199.232.76.173] (port=45538 helo=monty-python.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1KIh9O-00008o-Hf for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Tue, 15 Jul 2008 05:48:50 -0400 Original-Received: from mail.quinscape.de ([212.29.44.217]:33042) by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS-1.0:DHE_RSA_AES_256_CBC_SHA1:32) (Exim 4.60) (envelope-from ) id 1KIh9N-0003wa-WF for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Tue, 15 Jul 2008 05:48:50 -0400 Original-Received: (qmail-ldap/ctrl 19208 invoked from network); 15 Jul 2008 09:48:46 -0000 Original-Received: from unknown (HELO lola.quinscape.zz) ([10.0.3.43]) (envelope-sender ) by quinx.quinscape.de (qmail-ldap-1.03) with SMTP for ; 15 Jul 2008 09:48:46 -0000 Original-Received: by lola.quinscape.zz (Postfix, from userid 1001) id 9D4AD8F047; Tue, 15 Jul 2008 11:48:45 +0200 (CEST) In-Reply-To: (Miles Bader's message of "Tue, 15 Jul 2008 17:12:00 +0900") User-Agent: Gnus/5.13 (Gnus v5.13) Emacs/23.0.60 (gnu/linux) X-AntiVirus: checked by AntiVir MailGate (version: 2.1.3-2; AVE: 7.8.0.64; VDF: 7.0.5.115; host: quinx) X-detected-kernel: by monty-python.gnu.org: Linux 2.6 (newer, 3) X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Original-Sender: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.devel:100730 Archived-At: Miles Bader writes: > Given that debian have reasonable goals, and aren't doing anything > egregiously stupid (no comment on that one, just assuming for the > moment... :-), At a sufficiently advanced level, egregiously smart and egregiously stupid become indistinguishable. > it would be nice if emacs' default mechanisms would aid what they're > doing. If there are conflicts, I think in many cases that means > emacs' mechanisms should be extended, rather than meaning debian > should give up their goals. There is no point in separating the .elc from the .el as far as I can see. That is just begging for search path related conflicts and different load path shadows for .el and .elc. And since Debian is restricted to platforms supporting symlinks, you don't even save any disk space worth noting by working from a single .el directory. So I don't see a point in making Emacs support what can only be called a misguided configuration. -- David Kastrup