From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Lars Brinkhoff Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: Re: On language-dependent defaults for character-folding Date: Wed, 24 Feb 2016 07:40:20 +0100 Organization: nocrew Message-ID: <864mcysjaj.fsf@molnjunk.nocrew.org> References: <83y4ahru04.fsf@gnu.org> <83fuwproyf.fsf@gnu.org> <837fi0sz29.fsf@gnu.org> <83egc8qzjh.fsf@gnu.org> <87egc7evu3.fsf@gnus.org> <83io1jpt4u.fsf@gnu.org> <87povqhj25.fsf@gnus.org> <87povqe5tr.fsf@gnus.org> <87ziuta4l4.fsf@gnus.org> <87a8msw6w3.fsf@gnus.org> <877fhuop0c.fsf@gnus.org> NNTP-Posting-Host: plane.gmane.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Trace: ger.gmane.org 1456296051 25083 80.91.229.3 (24 Feb 2016 06:40:51 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@ger.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Wed, 24 Feb 2016 06:40:51 +0000 (UTC) To: emacs-devel@gnu.org Original-X-From: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Wed Feb 24 07:40:42 2016 Return-path: Envelope-to: ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([208.118.235.17]) by plane.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1aYT7o-0003DJ-Pa for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Wed, 24 Feb 2016 07:40:40 +0100 Original-Received: from localhost ([::1]:33901 helo=lists.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1aYT7o-0005Ml-1g for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Wed, 24 Feb 2016 01:40:40 -0500 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:4830:134:3::10]:54054) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1aYT7i-0005MV-AH for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Wed, 24 Feb 2016 01:40:35 -0500 Original-Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1aYT7d-00081P-5i for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Wed, 24 Feb 2016 01:40:34 -0500 Original-Received: from plane.gmane.org ([80.91.229.3]:51162) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1aYT7c-00080X-Uf for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Wed, 24 Feb 2016 01:40:29 -0500 Original-Received: from list by plane.gmane.org with local (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1aYT7b-000345-7w for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Wed, 24 Feb 2016 07:40:27 +0100 Original-Received: from molnjunk.nocrew.org ([178.18.91.250]) by main.gmane.org with esmtp (Gmexim 0.1 (Debian)) id 1AlnuQ-0007hv-00 for ; Wed, 24 Feb 2016 07:40:27 +0100 Original-Received: from lars by molnjunk.nocrew.org with local (Gmexim 0.1 (Debian)) id 1AlnuQ-0007hv-00 for ; Wed, 24 Feb 2016 07:40:27 +0100 X-Injected-Via-Gmane: http://gmane.org/ Original-Lines: 25 Original-X-Complaints-To: usenet@ger.gmane.org X-Gmane-NNTP-Posting-Host: molnjunk.nocrew.org User-Agent: Gnus/5.13 (Gnus v5.13) Emacs/24.3 (gnu/linux) Cancel-Lock: sha1:y4WXaXFOdffg3LhiXOjHJE7l+O8= X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: Genre and OS details not recognized. X-Received-From: 80.91.229.3 X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.devel:200601 Archived-At: Lars Ingebrigtsen writes: > Richard Stallman writes: >> > As a Norwegian, I think o should match ö, but not ø. >> Could you explain why that would be best for you? > ø is a different letter from o in our 29 letter alphabet, and > is a separate key on our keyboards. ö is just a variation of > o. Maybe you point about the keyboard can be a useful illustration in the debate. (Maybe it has been brought up alread, in which case I apologize.) An English-speaking user would typically have a keyboard with the letters a-z, so it can be quite handy to have o match ö and ø, and n match ñ. Because it's somewhat inconvenient to type those letters on such a keyboard. Swedish-speaking users probably have keyboards with a separate ö key, so it's easy to search for ö without any folding. (The situation for ø is less clear; I can imagine that some Swedish user would like it to be matched by both o and ö, or just o, or just ö.) Similarly, Spanish keyboards have a separate ñ key (I learned that just now).