From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.org!.POSTED.blaine.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Emanuel Berg via help-gnu-emacs Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.help Subject: Re: Google Gmail mailing list bounces Date: Sat, 25 May 2019 06:40:05 +0200 Message-ID: <864l5jf8pm.fsf@zoho.eu> References: <20190221170259478078146@bob.proulx.com> <20190523172148538275561@bob.proulx.com> <86ef4oivmo.fsf@zoho.eu> <20190523175139068895086@bob.proulx.com> <86d0k8h0re.fsf@zoho.eu> <20190524070902.GA11740@tuxteam.de> <86pno8fd60.fsf@zoho.eu> <20190524122837.GB25596@tuxteam.de> Reply-To: Emanuel Berg Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Injection-Info: blaine.gmane.org; posting-host="blaine.gmane.org:195.159.176.226"; logging-data="78906"; mail-complaints-to="usenet@blaine.gmane.org" User-Agent: Gnus/5.13 (Gnus v5.13) Emacs/25.1 (gnu/linux) To: help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org Original-X-From: help-gnu-emacs-bounces+geh-help-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Sat May 25 06:53:45 2019 Return-path: Envelope-to: geh-help-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([209.51.188.17]) by blaine.gmane.org with esmtps (TLS1.0:RSA_AES_256_CBC_SHA1:256) (Exim 4.89) (envelope-from ) id 1hUOgi-000KKl-7C for geh-help-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org; Sat, 25 May 2019 06:53:44 +0200 Original-Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:36262 helo=lists.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1hUOgh-0003UP-6t for geh-help-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org; Sat, 25 May 2019 00:53:43 -0400 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([209.51.188.92]:41662) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1hUOgJ-0003P5-Sz for help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Sat, 25 May 2019 00:53:22 -0400 Original-Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1hUOTf-0000Th-NR for help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Sat, 25 May 2019 00:40:16 -0400 Original-Received: from [195.159.176.226] (port=47042 helo=blaine.gmane.org) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.0:RSA_AES_256_CBC_SHA1:32) (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1hUOTf-0000Sx-Fc for help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Sat, 25 May 2019 00:40:15 -0400 Original-Received: from list by blaine.gmane.org with local (Exim 4.89) (envelope-from ) id 1hUOTd-0005fx-AF for help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Sat, 25 May 2019 06:40:13 +0200 X-Injected-Via-Gmane: http://gmane.org/ Mail-Followup-To: help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org Mail-Copies-To: never Cancel-Lock: sha1:dGYVew903wEz2lgBMDUfKDnoAt4= X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: GNU/Linux 2.2.x-3.x [generic] X-Received-From: 195.159.176.226 X-BeenThere: help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.21 Precedence: list List-Id: Users list for the GNU Emacs text editor List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: help-gnu-emacs-bounces+geh-help-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: "help-gnu-emacs" Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.help:120627 Archived-At: tomas wrote: >> If it works like that, why doesn't it keep >> at it until it gets the authority reply? >> Perhaps there is a setting for that... > > No, caching makes sense. Each DNS record has > a field stating for how long it is expected > to be valid (TTL) to ease such decisions. Yes, I know, none of that made sense to begin with since I thought the reply was the query and used it in the command, so that was why I got so strange replies. Now that I get replies that make sense, I don't care to analyze those that came from an incorrect use (read) of the command :) >> With ads, side- and extension services that >> aren't free of charge, the accumulation of >> user data, and so on, there is tons of money >> in mail. > > Big players prefer silos, where they can keep > their sheep^H^H^H users captive. Watch the > instant messenger space to see all the > anti-patterns of the pre-Internet age emerge > all over again. ?? ?#1: Do people still use IM? I remember ICQ (I Seek You; Israel 1996 [1]). Those were good days - at least if you only remember the good stuff! ?#2: What do you mean "all the anti-patterns of the pre-Internet age emerge all over again." It sounds interesting anyway so do tell... >> For all their technical superiority, they >> sure don't charge much... > > They don't see their goal in growth, but in > providing a good service while being > financially sustainable. No doubt they are good guys. Paying for a service isn't something I would never do for principal reasons, it is more like it seems like trouble doing it practically. I mean, how do you do it? Literally? [1] https://dataswamp.org/~incal/COMP-HIST -- underground experts united http://user.it.uu.se/~embe8573 https://dataswamp.org/~incal