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From: Eli Zaretskii <eliz@gnu.org>
To: "Mattias Engdegård" <mattias.engdegard@gmail.com>
Cc: 70784@debbugs.gnu.org, monnier@iro.umontreal.ca
Subject: bug#70784: Abolish string resizing
Date: Sun, 05 May 2024 17:04:18 +0300	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <864jbce4nx.fsf@gnu.org> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <A24C4B77-291E-4F7B-AD43-ADB42FAFA3C6@gmail.com> (message from Mattias Engdegård on Sun, 5 May 2024 14:33:51 +0200)

> Cc: Stefan Monnier <monnier@iro.umontreal.ca>
> From: Mattias Engdegård <mattias.engdegard@gmail.com>
> Date: Sun, 5 May 2024 14:33:51 +0200
> 
> The Elisp ability to resize strings is high-cost, low-benefit, so we should abolish it.
> 
> Strings are performance-critical, and the split allocation (fixed-size metadata + variable-size data) and its indirections are not free. This is one reason why strings are comparatively expensive in Elisp compared to other languages.
> 
> With MPS there is even no use for the special-purpose string data defragger in the current GC.
> 
> String resizing occurs in exactly one place: `aset` on strings, and then only when the mutation alters the string size, in either of two cases:
> 
> * When a unibyte string byte is set to a non-byte value (> 255), which also forces the string to become multibyte.
> * When a multibyte string char is set to a char of different length.
> 
> String mutation itself is very rare these days, and resizing string mutation exceptionally so.
> 
> Best and simplest would be to just turn resizing `aset` on strings into an error now. As an alternative, we could start warning about it now and make it an error in the next release. The (trivial) patches exist.

How many places in our own sources call aset on strings?

> 
> Note that this is not a proposal for abolishing string mutation in general. For example, `clear-string` would still work on any string, as would arbitrary closed mutations on unibyte strings and on ASCII multibyte strings.

I'm not yet sure this is a good idea, but one thing I'm sure: it is
not for Emacs 30.  So if we decide to go this way, let's delay
merging the changes until after the emacs-30 branch is cut, which
should happen in a week or two.

Thanks.





  reply	other threads:[~2024-05-05 14:04 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 44+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2024-05-05 12:33 bug#70784: Abolish string resizing Mattias Engdegård
2024-05-05 14:04 ` Eli Zaretskii [this message]
2024-05-05 14:18   ` Mattias Engdegård
2024-05-05 15:23     ` Eli Zaretskii
2024-05-05 16:55       ` Drew Adams via Bug reports for GNU Emacs, the Swiss army knife of text editors
2024-05-05 17:10         ` Eli Zaretskii
2024-05-05 18:09           ` Drew Adams via Bug reports for GNU Emacs, the Swiss army knife of text editors
2024-05-05 18:14             ` Eli Zaretskii
2024-05-05 20:08               ` Drew Adams via Bug reports for GNU Emacs, the Swiss army knife of text editors
2024-05-06  1:01                 ` Po Lu via Bug reports for GNU Emacs, the Swiss army knife of text editors
2024-05-06  6:02                   ` Gerd Möllmann
2024-05-08 23:25                     ` Richard Stallman
2024-05-08 23:24           ` Richard Stallman
2024-05-09  1:14             ` Drew Adams via Bug reports for GNU Emacs, the Swiss army knife of text editors
2024-05-26  9:02       ` Stefan Kangas
2024-05-26  9:17         ` Eli Zaretskii
2024-05-26 18:03           ` Stefan Monnier via Bug reports for GNU Emacs, the Swiss army knife of text editors
2024-05-26 18:45             ` Eli Zaretskii
2024-05-27  3:42               ` Stefan Monnier via Bug reports for GNU Emacs, the Swiss army knife of text editors
2024-05-28  2:23           ` Richard Stallman
2024-05-05 18:09     ` Stefan Monnier via Bug reports for GNU Emacs, the Swiss army knife of text editors
2024-05-05 20:24       ` Mattias Engdegård
2024-05-05 21:14         ` Stefan Monnier via Bug reports for GNU Emacs, the Swiss army knife of text editors
2024-05-11 15:20           ` Mattias Engdegård
2024-05-11 16:21             ` Stefan Monnier via Bug reports for GNU Emacs, the Swiss army knife of text editors
2024-05-15 17:30             ` Mattias Engdegård
2024-05-15 17:47               ` Stefan Monnier via Bug reports for GNU Emacs, the Swiss army knife of text editors
2024-05-15 19:35                 ` Mattias Engdegård
2024-05-25 11:24                 ` Mattias Engdegård
2024-05-25 11:37                   ` Eli Zaretskii
2024-05-25 13:01                     ` Mattias Engdegård
2024-05-06  0:53 ` Po Lu via Bug reports for GNU Emacs, the Swiss army knife of text editors
2024-05-06  1:56   ` Drew Adams via Bug reports for GNU Emacs, the Swiss army knife of text editors
2024-05-06 11:35     ` Eli Zaretskii
2024-05-06 12:29       ` Po Lu via Bug reports for GNU Emacs, the Swiss army knife of text editors
2024-05-07 11:13         ` Eli Zaretskii
2024-05-07 13:41           ` Po Lu via Bug reports for GNU Emacs, the Swiss army knife of text editors
2024-05-06  2:41   ` Stefan Monnier via Bug reports for GNU Emacs, the Swiss army knife of text editors
2024-05-06  4:41     ` Po Lu via Bug reports for GNU Emacs, the Swiss army knife of text editors
2024-05-06 10:57     ` Eli Zaretskii
2024-05-06 11:26   ` Eli Zaretskii
2024-05-06 12:23     ` Po Lu via Bug reports for GNU Emacs, the Swiss army knife of text editors
2024-05-07 11:19       ` Eli Zaretskii
2024-05-08 23:25   ` Richard Stallman

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