Re: Proposal: new default bindings for winner and windmove

[Eli Zaretskii <eliz@gnu.org>]

> From: Po Lu <luangruo@yahoo.com>
> Cc: Alan Mackenzie <acm@muc.de>,  Eli Zaretskii <eliz@gnu.org>,  Jeremy
>  Bryant <jb@jeremybryant.net>,  stefankangas@gmail.com,
>   monnier@iro.umontreal.ca,  emacs-devel@gnu.org
> Date: Wed, 26 Jun 2024 22:13:23 +0800
> 
> Daniel Colascione <dancol@dancol.org> writes:
> 
> > There is no "waste". We've gone over this at length. People who want
> > to bind these keys can bind them still. Nobody is hurt by default
> > bindings being present, and all the arguments I've seen against these
> > bindings are also arguments against having default bindings at all.
> 
> [...]
> 
> > There's no need to augment the binding function with a new
> > parameter. Anyone who can use the new parameter can just bind the keys
> > directly. The point is that out of the box Emacs should be useful and
> > useable, that the lack of default bindings for windmove makes it less
> > so, and that there's little downside to adding these bindings.
> 
> "I was not convinced by you, and therefore you must all agree with ME."
> 
> > Because it's useful to navigate windows positionally as well as
> > temporally. Other-window often has unpredictable effects and
> > navigating with windmove DWIM.
> 
> Most users will for this purpose use the mouse, if there is really such
> a number of windows that navigating with other-window is impractical.
> 
> I'm disposed to say that this situation seldom appears in practice, or
> we should have received proposals to grant windmove default keybindings
> much earlier.  And don't let's be given a lecture as to the inherent
> incompatibility of the mouse with Emacs's ethos or some such.

Didn't I ask not to reiterate the opinions that were already heard,
and heard abundantly?  I heard you the first time (and the second, and
the third, and...), and I understand very well that you are opposed to
this change.  Why keep saying it time and again, when doing so doesn't
add any useful information to the discussion?