From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.io!.POSTED.blaine.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: =?utf-8?Q?Arsen_Arsenovi=C4=87?= Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: Re: Proposal: Include C Manual from RMS in Emacs git, and/or release Date: Sun, 01 Dec 2024 11:54:08 +0100 Message-ID: <864j3nad2n.fsf@aarsen.me> References: <87ser8c230.fsf@jeremybryant.net> <86zflglu3h.fsf@aarsen.me> <86iks47qun.fsf@gnu.org> <865xo4h9w7.fsf@aarsen.me> <867c8k7aig.fsf@gnu.org> <861pyrg25r.fsf@aarsen.me> <86a5df67am.fsf@gnu.org> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/signed; boundary="=-=-="; micalg=pgp-sha512; protocol="application/pgp-signature" Injection-Info: ciao.gmane.io; posting-host="blaine.gmane.org:116.202.254.214"; logging-data="6550"; mail-complaints-to="usenet@ciao.gmane.io" Cc: jb@jeremybryant.net, emacs-devel@gnu.org, rms@gnu.org To: Eli Zaretskii Original-X-From: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Sun Dec 01 11:55:07 2024 Return-path: Envelope-to: ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane-mx.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([209.51.188.17]) by ciao.gmane.io with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.92) (envelope-from ) id 1tHhbV-0001Xd-RQ for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane-mx.org; Sun, 01 Dec 2024 11:55:05 +0100 Original-Received: from localhost ([::1] helo=lists1p.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1tHhan-0008UQ-9i; Sun, 01 Dec 2024 05:54:21 -0500 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:470:142:3::10]) by lists.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1tHhal-0008Tu-VF for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Sun, 01 Dec 2024 05:54:19 -0500 Original-Received: from mout-p-102.mailbox.org ([80.241.56.152]) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_CHACHA20_POLY1305:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1tHhak-0000fl-5A; Sun, 01 Dec 2024 05:54:19 -0500 Original-Received: from smtp202.mailbox.org (smtp202.mailbox.org [10.196.197.202]) (using TLSv1.3 with cipher TLS_AES_256_GCM_SHA384 (256/256 bits) key-exchange X25519 server-signature RSA-PSS (4096 bits) server-digest SHA256) (No client certificate requested) by mout-p-102.mailbox.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 4Y1P1J20cwz9tGX; Sun, 1 Dec 2024 11:54:12 +0100 (CET) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=aarsen.me; s=MBO0001; t=1733050452; h=from:from:reply-to:subject:subject:date:date:message-id:message-id: to:to:cc:cc:mime-version:mime-version:content-type:content-type: in-reply-to:in-reply-to:references:references; bh=elxJPk0HBEIja1SOWpg6bvWYswdjIx1TlljUlUTVKK8=; b=uhx1ruTtJf31PuvfynGxiZEXoMVSxiBN6Bt70dWjXX27dHyuyq0evBLc2A0nDCIz6KZeAq +yJFj6Wnifa4t93IlYYfaNx0oLWembuhll6lRFcDvL1NnN25i3S4GVHYQFfeon5N5DU7Sr /VJzaHkAFY8V3Hcg5T9oGVYr5nNWfx/O7nrRNIDddAW5y4zno6rsj5Am+BdsJdxkizBIJw DqDP9D/ZmE3lsWLIPlEbuv0x7KkszWOcHM/pcfFnjOWlsAryTCfz4tfje+VW8BV8ycVjdS YLDYJtY9XvFOuyz236XyMUbdK253pvicMxgqrogk+uymXPHK3Fve4eYc9t0H5w== In-Reply-To: <86a5df67am.fsf@gnu.org> (Eli Zaretskii's message of "Sun, 01 Dec 2024 12:12:33 +0200") Received-SPF: pass client-ip=80.241.56.152; envelope-from=arsen@aarsen.me; helo=mout-p-102.mailbox.org X-Spam_score_int: -27 X-Spam_score: -2.8 X-Spam_bar: -- X-Spam_report: (-2.8 / 5.0 requ) BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_EF=-0.1, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW=-0.7, RCVD_IN_VALIDITY_CERTIFIED_BLOCKED=0.001, RCVD_IN_VALIDITY_RPBL_BLOCKED=0.001, SPF_HELO_NONE=0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001 autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no X-Spam_action: no action X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.io gmane.emacs.devel:325917 Archived-At: --=-=-= Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Eli Zaretskii writes: >> In hindsight, I'd also not mind if info-stnd.texi contained a copy of >> the Info tutorial that the Emacs info manual includes, so that the >> standalone viewers get-info-help-node works always. What do you think >> of that? > > Someone will have to do the job, and the non-traditional structure of > info.info makes that a tad harder. > > There's also an additional problem for Emacs users: if info.info is > not in Emacs, then new users of Info have no way of learning to use > Info. So I guess this will have to be some kind of duplication or > something? Hm, yes, I had taken it for granted that Texinfo is installed if Emacs is, but that might not be true. That makes duplicating the tutorial bit=20 of info.info into info-stnd more appealing, I think. My thinking was to break out the (info)Getting Started node and its subnodes into info-tutorial.texi or such, and @include it into both manuals. There would need to be slight adjustment to the text, as not all of the first paragraph is applicable to info-stnd. Quickly skimming it, that node list appears to be closed under internal (in the sense of "within the same manual") referencing, except for a reference to *note Emacs Info Variables::, but that could be made conditionally included or a conditionally external reference. I think it's doable with fairly little cost. =2D-=20 Arsen Arsenovi=C4=87 --=-=-= Content-Type: application/pgp-signature; name="signature.asc" -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- iOYEARYKAI4WIQT+4rPRE/wAoxYtYGFSwpQwHqLEkwUCZ0xAUF8UgAAAAAAuAChp c3N1ZXItZnByQG5vdGF0aW9ucy5vcGVucGdwLmZpZnRoaG9yc2VtYW4ubmV0RkVF MkIzRDExM0ZDMDBBMzE2MkQ2MDYxNTJDMjk0MzAxRUEyQzQ5MxAcYXJzZW5AYWFy c2VuLm1lAAoJEFLClDAeosSTV3IA/AypIvMAY4AlKQ2JaB4nAdhDHqocUtcEdfXE RugESEdkAQCS0Fgcvsz/eYx0uxsucb6iC3alhxdoMY/sD+xRxDm3CA== =Tcez -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --=-=-=--