From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: David Kastrup Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: Re: New start up splash screen annoyance... Date: Tue, 25 Sep 2007 20:18:27 +0200 Message-ID: <863ax26230.fsf@lola.quinscape.zz> References: <87d4waxnw7.fsf@uwakimon.sk.tsukuba.ac.jp> <87ejgq3pp6.fsf@uwakimon.sk.tsukuba.ac.jp> <85vea1rfly.fsf@lola.goethe.zz> NNTP-Posting-Host: lo.gmane.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Trace: sea.gmane.org 1190744322 28263 80.91.229.12 (25 Sep 2007 18:18:42 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@sea.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Tue, 25 Sep 2007 18:18:42 +0000 (UTC) Cc: bob@rattlesnake.com, emacs-devel@gnu.org To: rms@gnu.org Original-X-From: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Tue Sep 25 20:18:38 2007 Return-path: Envelope-to: ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([199.232.76.165]) by lo.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.50) id 1IaEzV-0000EA-OL for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Tue, 25 Sep 2007 20:18:38 +0200 Original-Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1] helo=lists.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1IaEzS-0006As-JO for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Tue, 25 Sep 2007 14:18:34 -0400 Original-Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1IaEzO-00068y-NF for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Tue, 25 Sep 2007 14:18:30 -0400 Original-Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1IaEzN-00065m-2e for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Tue, 25 Sep 2007 14:18:30 -0400 Original-Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1IaEzM-00065T-Vd for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Tue, 25 Sep 2007 14:18:29 -0400 Original-Received: from pc3.berlin.powerweb.de ([62.67.228.11]) by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.60) (envelope-from ) id 1IaEzM-0005l4-B5 for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Tue, 25 Sep 2007 14:18:28 -0400 Original-Received: from quinscape.de (dslnet.212-29-44.ip210.dokom.de [212.29.44.210] (may be forged)) by pc3.berlin.powerweb.de (8.9.3p3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id UAA04084 for ; Tue, 25 Sep 2007 20:18:17 +0200 X-Delivered-To: Original-Received: (qmail 13842 invoked from network); 25 Sep 2007 18:18:27 -0000 Original-Received: from unknown (HELO lola.quinscape.zz) ([10.0.3.43]) (envelope-sender ) by ns.quinscape.de (qmail-ldap-1.03) with SMTP for ; 25 Sep 2007 18:18:27 -0000 Original-Received: by lola.quinscape.zz (Postfix, from userid 1001) id 87CAE8F97B; Tue, 25 Sep 2007 20:18:27 +0200 (CEST) In-Reply-To: (Richard Stallman's message of "Tue\, 25 Sep 2007 13\:57\:33 -0400") User-Agent: Gnus/5.11 (Gnus v5.11) Emacs/23.0.50 (gnu/linux) X-Detected-Kernel: Linux 2.4-2.6 X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Original-Sender: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.devel:79831 Archived-At: Richard Stallman writes: > Except that I have seen window managers that permit me to change > "left" to "right" and vice-versa; the intent is to permit people to > shift to a mirrored mouse on the left. > > If you did that, you would know it. I think "mouse-1" "mouse-2" "mouse-3" is enough of a hint to get people going. At least those kind of people that would stand a chance to ever get along with Emacs. I can't imagine someone plugging three mice into his computer in order to delete a window (ok, more likely he will try a triple-click, in particular if he is using a Mac). I think we should just take the chance. If we get a bug report, we can still think about acting on it. XEmacs calls the respective events [button1] [button2] [button3]. It may be argued that this would be more understandable to beginners. Personally, I don't think that the difference in understandability warrants a change in the event definition, and I think that the event symbol is not so cryptic as to make it a good idea to use anything but the event symbol in the help text. -- David Kastrup