From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.org!.POSTED!not-for-mail From: Alain Schneble Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: Re: feature/integrated-elpa 4f6df43 15/23: README added Date: Wed, 19 Oct 2016 22:13:09 +0200 Message-ID: <8637jsqeqy.fsf@realize.ch> References: <20160916203414.25203.87032@vcs.savannah.gnu.org> <87wph96cto.fsf@russet.org.uk> <831szh3iq4.fsf@gnu.org> <87mvi5spl9.fsf@Rainer.invalid> <83mvi51y3b.fsf@gnu.org> <87instslxu.fsf@russet.org.uk> <83inst1vut.fsf@gnu.org> <87eg3ekjz2.fsf@russet.org.uk> <83vawpx677.fsf@gnu.org> <87h989ixxd.fsf@russet.org.uk> <83mvi1ww6m.fsf@gnu.org> <87wph5fw0w.fsf@russet.org.uk> <838ttlwodt.fsf@gnu.org> <878ttl3342.fsf@Rainer.invalid> <8360opwjs2.fsf@gnu.org> <8760oosrn8.fsf@russet.org.uk> <83shrsvj3g.fsf@gnu.org> <87k2d46vqe.fsf@Rainer.invalid> <86funsqij1.fsf@realize.ch> <87d1iw6t15.fsf@Rainer.invalid> NNTP-Posting-Host: blaine.gmane.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain X-Trace: blaine.gmane.org 1476908082 23080 195.159.176.226 (19 Oct 2016 20:14:42 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@blaine.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Wed, 19 Oct 2016 20:14:42 +0000 (UTC) User-Agent: Gnus/5.13 (Gnus v5.13) Emacs/25.1.50 (windows-nt) Cc: emacs-devel@gnu.org To: Achim Gratz Original-X-From: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Wed Oct 19 22:14:38 2016 Return-path: Envelope-to: ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([208.118.235.17]) by blaine.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1bwxFd-0001YV-9c for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Wed, 19 Oct 2016 22:14:13 +0200 Original-Received: from localhost ([::1]:51027 helo=lists.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1bwxFV-0001R1-E0 for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Wed, 19 Oct 2016 16:14:05 -0400 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:4830:134:3::10]:46765) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1bwxFL-0001Pg-Qt for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Wed, 19 Oct 2016 16:13:56 -0400 Original-Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1bwxFI-00049n-KW for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Wed, 19 Oct 2016 16:13:55 -0400 Original-Received: from clientmail.realize.ch ([46.140.89.53]:4947) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.0:DHE_RSA_AES_128_CBC_SHA1:16) (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1bwxFI-000483-7V for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Wed, 19 Oct 2016 16:13:52 -0400 Original-Received: from rintintin.hq.realize.ch.lan.rit (Unknown [192.168.0.105]) by clientmail.realize.ch with ESMTP ; Wed, 19 Oct 2016 22:13:33 +0200 Original-Received: from myngb (192.168.66.64) by rintintin.hq.realize.ch.lan.rit (192.168.0.105) with Microsoft SMTP Server (TLS) id 15.0.516.32; Wed, 19 Oct 2016 22:13:08 +0200 In-Reply-To: <87d1iw6t15.fsf@Rainer.invalid> (Achim Gratz's message of "Wed, 19 Oct 2016 21:24:54 +0200") X-ClientProxiedBy: rintintin.hq.realize.ch.lan.rit (192.168.0.105) To rintintin.hq.realize.ch.lan.rit (192.168.0.105) X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: Windows NT kernel [generic] X-Received-From: 46.140.89.53 X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.21 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: "Emacs-devel" Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.devel:208498 Archived-At: Achim Gratz writes: > Alain Schneble writes: >> Of course. The order of directories in load path is always relevant. >> Whatever structure we choose. > > Good. Now take that last step: if you want to be sure that you don't > load something you don't want to be loaded, it must not be found via > load-path at all times during the lifetime of the Emacs process. Sorry I can't follow. The last step of what? Who wants to load something we don't want to be loaded? > That > precludes almost all solutions that depend on removal or shadowing > during later steps in the initialization sequence and where > not-yet-to-be-initialized packages become visible when initializing > another package. I can only think of some inconsistent inter-package dependencies here. But this will be covered by the "requires min package version" dependency management that is already in place in package.el AFAIK. Alain