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List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: "Emacs-devel" Xref: news.gmane.io gmane.emacs.devel:250872 Archived-At: Hi. >>>>> "Stefan" =3D=3D Stefan Kangas writes: Stefan> Richard Stallman writes: >> > Richard> Perhaps we should make a page and a canned response, >> "Check the Emacs > Richard> manuals before you believe what >> other people's web site say about > Richard> Emacs." And >> publicize that in lots of ways. >>=20 >> > These are not "other people's web sites", they=CA=BCre the Emacs >> manuals on > gnu.org, just for a different version of Emacs >> from the one the user > is running. >>=20 >> That is unfortunate. Does anyone have a concrete idea for how >> we could improve this? Stefan> AFAICT, we provide only one version of the manual on Stefan> gnu.org. Maybe we should have a copy for each version, Stefan> with pointers between them. That way, a user could still Stefan> be reading the wrong manual, but at least has a chance to Stefan> notice the mistake. What about putting something like this on every node of|on the online html manual: You can evaluate this from within emacs itself for getting the right copy f= or your emacs version: --8<---------------cut here---------------start------------->8--- (info "(emacs) File Variables") --8<---------------cut here---------------end--------------->8--- Above is equivalent to: --8<---------------cut here---------------start------------->8--- https://www.gnu.org/software/emacs/manual/html_node/emacs/File-Variables.ht= ml --8<---------------cut here---------------end--------------->8--- Best Regards