From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.io!.POSTED.blaine.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Eli Zaretskii Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.bugs Subject: bug#70587: More buffers that ought to be read-only Date: Sat, 04 May 2024 14:22:41 +0300 Message-ID: <8634qxhldq.fsf@gnu.org> References: <87le506i07.n.fsf@jidanni.org> <86jzkkz9f2.fsf@gnu.org> <86bk5wz8a6.fsf@gnu.org> <8734r7b73v.5.fsf@jidanni.org> <86zftfw841.fsf@gnu.org> <86bk5uul0z.fsf@gnu.org> <864jbltt1k.fsf@gnu.org> Injection-Info: ciao.gmane.io; posting-host="blaine.gmane.org:116.202.254.214"; logging-data="19419"; mail-complaints-to="usenet@ciao.gmane.io" Cc: 70587@debbugs.gnu.org, jidanni@jidanni.org To: Stefan Monnier , Dmitry Gutov Original-X-From: bug-gnu-emacs-bounces+geb-bug-gnu-emacs=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Sat May 04 13:24:04 2024 Return-path: Envelope-to: geb-bug-gnu-emacs@m.gmane-mx.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([209.51.188.17]) by ciao.gmane.io with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.92) (envelope-from ) id 1s3DUq-0004qN-4j for geb-bug-gnu-emacs@m.gmane-mx.org; Sat, 04 May 2024 13:24:04 +0200 Original-Received: from localhost ([::1] helo=lists1p.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1s3DUc-0007c7-9K; Sat, 04 May 2024 07:23:50 -0400 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:470:142:3::10]) by lists.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1s3DUW-0007au-SY for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Sat, 04 May 2024 07:23:44 -0400 Original-Received: from debbugs.gnu.org ([2001:470:142:5::43]) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_128_GCM_SHA256:128) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1s3DUR-0003mk-Pi for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Sat, 04 May 2024 07:23:44 -0400 Original-Received: from Debian-debbugs by debbugs.gnu.org with local (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1s3DUo-0001OC-HU for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Sat, 04 May 2024 07:24:02 -0400 X-Loop: help-debbugs@gnu.org Resent-From: Eli Zaretskii Original-Sender: "Debbugs-submit" Resent-CC: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org Resent-Date: Sat, 04 May 2024 11:24:02 +0000 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-Sender: help-debbugs@gnu.org X-GNU-PR-Message: followup 70587 X-GNU-PR-Package: emacs Original-Received: via spool by 70587-submit@debbugs.gnu.org id=B70587.17148217975300 (code B ref 70587); Sat, 04 May 2024 11:24:02 +0000 Original-Received: (at 70587) by debbugs.gnu.org; 4 May 2024 11:23:17 +0000 Original-Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:52806 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1s3DU4-0001NO-OG for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Sat, 04 May 2024 07:23:17 -0400 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:470:142:3::10]:58126) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1s3DU1-0001NE-4C for 70587@debbugs.gnu.org; Sat, 04 May 2024 07:23:15 -0400 Original-Received: from fencepost.gnu.org ([2001:470:142:3::e]) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1s3DTY-0003iv-43; Sat, 04 May 2024 07:22:44 -0400 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; q=dns/txt; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gnu.org; s=fencepost-gnu-org; h=References:Subject:In-Reply-To:To:From:Date: mime-version; bh=Qhb3l2IUHm7TLOKXjlqc4rhzRWHHZYpjeIoSJLha97g=; b=G8/6cRmjTUg6 Rh6ddSNrCt23+7+0yd5SRAM5aYNzTTAKhGNCjIgUGsPAChvIuY54aKlufxq+8LHaX96sJ8roJy/Vi qsnH4Qzo2j7piQLOSeZRQDGkfxMqwgra1UoQR3KnXlXQaq3dTFpbbabPip2GA6Wj6ESjdwJbSXmn/ mWBdVGPrR6OfcSBhYEhjPZym+ZGAI7b+wbSeVNvB/dUXtOE6K2y15GU6SY+LtTQVvMAG0ctCkr+bs w0D+x3dim0zzK8GEl//o8w4MJNeYULpLdbGsUj6zBGmkE6EulPP/7mPVzm7L4aOGB3juX8n+/0F9u cxg46l1smRWDtL7iKLWLkw==; In-Reply-To: (message from Stefan Monnier on Sun, 28 Apr 2024 11:30:26 -0400) X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list X-BeenThere: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org List-Id: "Bug reports for GNU Emacs, the Swiss army knife of text editors" List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: bug-gnu-emacs-bounces+geb-bug-gnu-emacs=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: bug-gnu-emacs-bounces+geb-bug-gnu-emacs=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.io gmane.emacs.bugs:284414 Archived-At: > From: Stefan Monnier > Cc: jidanni@jidanni.org, 70587@debbugs.gnu.org > Date: Sun, 28 Apr 2024 11:30:26 -0400 > > > Does it mean you will not be terribly mad if I remove the read-only > > setting from "M-x diff", and let it behave as every other client of > > diff-mode? > > I don't have a strong opinion on this, no (diff-mode buffers are > among those where I use `C-x C-q` most frequently). > > `C-x v =` is an important "client of diff-mode" (arguably more > important than `M-x diff`), and it does make `*vc-diff*` read-only, > so if you want to change `M-x diff`, I suggest you change `C-x v =` at > the same time. So the two most important clients of diff-mode unconditionally make the buffer read-only, but we have a diff-mode option that by default leaves the buffer writable? This makes absolutely no sense to me! Does anyone have any explanation for how we ended up in this situation?