From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.io!.POSTED.blaine.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Juri Linkov Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: Re: Proposal: new default bindings for winner and windmove Date: Tue, 02 Jul 2024 19:32:07 +0300 Organization: LINKOV.NET Message-ID: <8634orbvxk.fsf@mail.linkov.net> References: <875xto7lbn.fsf@dancol.org> <86ed8ce2mh.fsf@mail.linkov.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Injection-Info: ciao.gmane.io; posting-host="blaine.gmane.org:116.202.254.214"; logging-data="18453"; mail-complaints-to="usenet@ciao.gmane.io" User-Agent: Gnus/5.13 (Gnus v5.13) Emacs/31.0.50 (x86_64-pc-linux-gnu) Cc: Stefan Kangas , Stefan Monnier , emacs-devel@gnu.org To: Daniel Colascione Original-X-From: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Tue Jul 02 18:36:38 2024 Return-path: Envelope-to: ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane-mx.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([209.51.188.17]) by ciao.gmane.io with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.92) (envelope-from ) id 1sOgUf-0004bz-TG for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane-mx.org; Tue, 02 Jul 2024 18:36:37 +0200 Original-Received: from localhost ([::1] helo=lists1p.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1sOgU1-0002dd-QV; Tue, 02 Jul 2024 12:35:57 -0400 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:470:142:3::10]) by lists.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1sOgTy-0002by-4E for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Tue, 02 Jul 2024 12:35:54 -0400 Original-Received: from relay2-d.mail.gandi.net ([217.70.183.194]) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1sOgTw-0003gg-Ce for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Tue, 02 Jul 2024 12:35:53 -0400 Original-Received: by mail.gandi.net (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id 0FC4740008; Tue, 2 Jul 2024 16:35:44 +0000 (UTC) In-Reply-To: (Daniel Colascione's message of "Tue, 02 Jul 2024 07:50:38 -0400") X-GND-Sasl: juri@linkov.net Received-SPF: pass client-ip=217.70.183.194; envelope-from=juri@linkov.net; helo=relay2-d.mail.gandi.net X-Spam_score_int: -25 X-Spam_score: -2.6 X-Spam_bar: -- X-Spam_report: (-2.6 / 5.0 requ) BAYES_00=-1.9, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW=-0.7, RCVD_IN_MSPIKE_H3=0.001, RCVD_IN_MSPIKE_WL=0.001, SPF_HELO_PASS=-0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001 autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no X-Spam_action: no action X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.io gmane.emacs.devel:321185 Archived-At: >>> +@kindex C-x 4 DOWN >> >>I can't believe someone might want to use such long key sequences >>for one of the most frequent actions. It's even longer than >>'C-x o' it's supposed to improve. > > It's an improvement on C-x o for some use cases because it's more > predictable, not because it's shorter. Besides, the key sequence > isn't even that hard to type. Have you tried it? Press and hold the Control key, press the x key on the bottom row, release the Control key, press the 4 key on the top row, press an arrow key on the keypad. OTOH, with a modifier: press and hold the modifier key, press an arrow, release the modifier key. >> I think there are no better keys >>for switching windows than arrows with a modifier. > > I use these and they're fine. The problem with binding a modifier > with bare arrow keys is that all sorts of customizations and modes > bind these already. C-x 4 is vacant, logical, and short enough. So you personally use a modifier, and propose a long key sequence that nobody will use? >>Since all keybindings in the 'C-x 4' keymap are for commands >>that display a buffer in another window, 'C-x 4 LEFT/...' >>could do the same to display the buffer of the next command >>in the specified window. > > Such a command doesn't exist and doesn't sound particularly useful to me. It's 'windmove-display-default-keybindings'. It's less frequently used than 'windmove-default-keybindings', so a longer key sequence like 'C-x 4 DOWN' would be fine for 'windmove-display-in-direction'. > Putting window management under C-x 4 makes logical sense. We already have a new keymap for window management under C-x w. Whereas C-x 4 is for buffer display. Therefore it makes more sense to put 'windmove-display-default-keybindings' under C-x 4.