auctex startup improvements and osx

auctex startup improvements and osx

[ivowel]

I am running Gnu Emacs 24.5.1 on OSX Yosemite, binary download from http://emacsformacosx.com/ . when auctex is installed (via standard package-list-packages), version 11.88.5, i.e., into the .emacs.d/elpa directory, then auctex is loaded when a .tex file is visited, even in the absence of an init.el.  good.

problem: starting emacs on a retina i7 iMac to edit a latex source file now takes about 5 seconds on an empty or 1-page latex article.  during this time, the emacs bottom states "For information about the Gnu System..." for these 5 seconds, and then it proceeds as expected.  No errors or warnings.  Just slow.

Loading emacs with non-tex files is instant.  Starting emacs on a latex file with the -q option is instant.  yet, starting emacs [without any init.el files but without -q] on a .tex file loads auctex from the elpa/auctex-11.88.5 files with a startup delay of 5 seconds. 

my hostname is fully qualified (xxx.anderson.ucla.edu).  a cli 'hostname' command shows me that this is correct.  the cli 'domainname' is empty, but it does not seem to matter.

now, I tried to (setq TeX-parse-self t) and (setq TeX-auto-save t), and created a local auto/ subdirectory, but 'opensnoop | grep /Users/me/' shows me that emacs does not even attempt to save a parsed latex version in this "cache" like directory.  this may be obsolete by now?!

staring at "top" output while emacs is waiting suggests that slow loading is not an issue of a CPU bottleneck.  I am guessing that emacs is waiting up for something to happen or become available, and then falls back to what it should be doing in the first place.

now, there are two emacs installations on my system, the standard OSX distribution of 22.1.1 and the new emacs 24.5.1 distribution.  it may well be the case that the binary distribution has some problems.  In particular, I see that it queries whole hierarchies in '/Library/Application Support/Emacs/' which does not exist.  linking ln -sf /Applications/Emacs.app/Contents/Resources/lisp /Library/Application\ Support/Emacs/24.5/site-lisp did not fix the slow startup.  oh well...  at this point, I am beyond my abilities.

this is probably my fault.  I am not an emacs expert, but I am also not an emacs novice.

whatever slows emacs down to such glacial speed makes a bad impression on novices that are switching to emacs.  it would be useful to build some more intelligence [at least some warnings] into the emacs auctex startup.  hope this helps.


PS: possibly related to http://stackoverflow.com/questions/28622218/emacs-auctex-slow-to-start, which has not been answered.

Re: auctex startup improvements and osx

[Joost Kremers]

ivowel@gmail.com wrote:
>
> I am running Gnu Emacs 24.5.1 on OSX Yosemite, binary download from
> http://emacsformacosx.com/ . when auctex is installed (via standard
> package-list-packages), version 11.88.5, i.e., into the .emacs.d/elpa
> directory, then auctex is loaded when a .tex file is visited, even in
> the absence of an init.el. good.
>
> problem: starting emacs on a retina i7 iMac to edit a latex source
>file now takes about 5 seconds on an empty or 1-page latex article.
>during this time, the emacs bottom states "For information about the
>Gnu System..." for these 5 seconds, and then it proceeds as expected.
>No errors or warnings. Just slow.

There was a similar question on the AUCTeX mailing list just last week:

http://lists.gnu.org/archive/html/auctex/2015-04/msg00022.html

I haven't followed the entire thread, but perhaps your problem is related?



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Re: auctex startup improvements and osx

[ivowel]

thank you, joost.  there is good advice on the other thread to follow, too.

alas, I also have some useful information to share.  I had my .emacs.d directory linked to a Dropbox directory, so that multiple hosts could share the same .emacs.d .  I figured that with the same init.el and the same elpa, as well as the same OS and emacs version, they should be the same.  I now think that either the sym-linking or the compilation did something that auctex did not like, just a little.  not bad enough to mess it up, but not good enough to continue the startup at normal speed.  if I use fully local directories, it is fast again.  thanks for the pointers.

best, /iaw

Re: auctex startup improvements and osx

[Tassilo Horn]

Joost Kremers <joost.m.kremers@gmail.com> writes:

>> I am running Gnu Emacs 24.5.1 on OSX Yosemite, binary download from
>> http://emacsformacosx.com/ . when auctex is installed (via standard
>> package-list-packages), version 11.88.5, i.e., into the .emacs.d/elpa
>> directory, then auctex is loaded when a .tex file is visited, even in
>> the absence of an init.el. good.
>>
>> problem: starting emacs on a retina i7 iMac to edit a latex source
>>file now takes about 5 seconds on an empty or 1-page latex article.
>>during this time, the emacs bottom states "For information about the
>>Gnu System..." for these 5 seconds, and then it proceeds as expected.
>>No errors or warnings. Just slow.
>
> There was a similar question on the AUCTeX mailing list just last week:
>
> http://lists.gnu.org/archive/html/auctex/2015-04/msg00022.html
>
> I haven't followed the entire thread, but perhaps your problem is
> related?

In that thread, the culprit for the slowness has been kpsewhich which
seems to be slow on OSX.  We made a change in AUCTeX so that kpsewhich
is called less often.  I think it used to be called about 10 times, and
now it's only called 3 times.

That fix is in 11.88.5.  So if your auctex still loads slow, then it has
either nothing to do with kpsewhich, or you are only thinking you're
using 11.88.5 but in fact some older version shadows that.

Well, the thread Joost cites about (my first reply in there) also tells
how to use the profiler to narrow down the culprit.  Please try that.

Bye,
Tassilo