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From: David Kastrup <dak@gnu.org>
To: "Juanma Barranquero" <lekktu@gmail.com>
Cc: emacs-devel@gnu.org, Kenichi Handa <handa@m17n.org>
Subject: Re: Merging multitty
Date: Fri, 11 May 2007 15:51:42 +0200	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <861whn1n9t.fsf@lola.quinscape.zz> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <f7ccd24b0705110633w70f6299fx78558350bb55453b@mail.gmail.com> (Juanma Barranquero's message of "Fri\, 11 May 2007 15\:33\:42 +0200")

"Juanma Barranquero" <lekktu@gmail.com> writes:

> On 5/11/07, David Kastrup <dak@gnu.org> wrote:
>
>> It certainly will be more convenient for people wanting to
>> _use_ the trunk as opposed to _work_ on it.
>
> No. It will be more convenient for people wanting to _work_ on the
> trunk on things _other_ than the multitty support.

Good point.  But if other things happen to destabilize the trunk, it
will not exactly help getting a multitty branch into good shape.

>> The second variant makes separate sense of its own mainly if one
>> _delays_ merging the multitty branch until it has stabilized on all
>> platforms.
>
> Which is a fine idea by itself.
>
>> I don't see that happening by magic.
>
> Either there is people willing to fix the problems in the multitty
> branch, and then a branch is fine, or there is not, and then forcing
> it on the trunk it's not going to help much (if anything, it'll
> diminish some people's enthusiasm).

I can see your point.

At any rate, I find that we should move the repository of multitty
_fast_ into the Emacs repository (as a trunk for now), and likely by
way of Miles' arch mirror.

If we don't do that, I don't see multitty going anywhere.

multitty is an architectural change slated for Emacs 23.  trunk or
not, it will be important that people bother with it eventually.  But
it is reasonable to assume that only a subset of the current (and
possibly revived or new) developers will feel able to contribute to
this work, and blocking the others in the mean time does not seem like
a good idea either.

I would however think it prudent to _first_ have the multitty branch
put into place and synchronized before we do the unicode-2 merge into
the trunk.  That will be the best shot we may have at keeping the
multitty branch in a state where its developers have mostly to worry
about multitty issues.

And it would be good if people familiar with unicode-2 would also help
with merging the trunk change into the multitty branch (since they
probably will best know how to deal with the conflicts).

In short: even if we put multitty into a branch, we should give it the
best kickoff we can manage.

-- 
David Kastrup

  reply	other threads:[~2007-05-11 13:51 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 251+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2007-05-04 21:17 Reordering etc/NEWS Richard Stallman
2007-05-05 22:42 ` Glenn Morris
2007-05-05 22:49   ` Jason Rumney
2007-05-06 17:57   ` Richard Stallman
2007-05-06 18:18     ` Glenn Morris
2007-05-06 20:28     ` Eli Zaretskii
2007-05-07 16:50       ` Richard Stallman
2007-05-07 17:07         ` David Kastrup
2007-05-08  6:27           ` Jan Djärv
2007-05-07 17:36         ` Glenn Morris
2007-05-07 18:05           ` David Kastrup
2007-05-07 17:53         ` spect. [Was: Reordering etc/NEWS] Alan Mackenzie
2007-05-07 18:16           ` Mathias Dahl
2007-05-07 21:51         ` Reordering etc/NEWS Eli Zaretskii
2007-05-07 22:04           ` David Kastrup
2007-05-08 18:09           ` Richard Stallman
2007-05-08 21:09             ` David Kastrup
2007-05-09  8:57             ` Kim F. Storm
2007-05-09  9:23               ` David Kastrup
2007-05-09 17:54               ` JD Smith
2007-05-09 19:42                 ` Eli Zaretskii
2007-05-09 19:59                   ` JD Smith
2007-05-09 20:29                 ` Stefan Monnier
2007-05-09 20:54                   ` Nick Roberts
2007-05-10 13:05                 ` Richard Stallman
2007-05-09 21:56               ` Karl Fogel
2007-05-09 22:15                 ` David Kastrup
2007-05-09 22:25                   ` Karl Fogel
2007-05-09 22:32                     ` David Kastrup
2007-05-09 22:59                       ` Karl Fogel
2007-05-10  7:24                       ` Jason Rumney
2007-05-10  7:49                         ` David Kastrup
2007-05-10  8:04                           ` joakim
2007-05-10  9:19                             ` Jason Rumney
2007-05-10  9:32                               ` David Kastrup
2007-05-10  9:42                               ` joakim
2007-05-10  9:52                                 ` David Kastrup
2007-05-10 10:10                                   ` David Kastrup
2007-05-11 23:27                                     ` Karoly Lorentey
2007-05-12  7:53                                       ` David Kastrup
2007-05-12 12:09                                         ` Multi-tty design (Re: Reordering etc/NEWS) Károly Lo"rentey
2007-05-12 13:34                                           ` David Kastrup
2007-05-12 17:21                                             ` Karoly Lorentey
2007-05-12 18:03                                               ` David Kastrup
2007-05-13 11:08                                                 ` Károly Lőrentey
2007-05-13 12:50                                                   ` David Kastrup
2007-05-13 16:41                                                     ` David Kastrup
2007-05-13 17:04                                                       ` Andreas Schwab
2007-05-13 17:18                                                         ` David Kastrup
2007-05-13 18:11                                                           ` Andreas Schwab
2007-05-13 18:17                                                             ` David Kastrup
2007-05-13 18:22                                                           ` Dan Nicolaescu
2007-05-13 20:13                                                             ` David Kastrup
2007-05-13 20:41                                                               ` David Kastrup
2007-05-13 21:11                                                                 ` David Kastrup
2007-05-22  0:39                                                                   ` Giorgos Keramidas
2007-05-13 21:18                                                                 ` Dan Nicolaescu
2007-05-14  6:33                                                                   ` David Kastrup
2007-05-13 21:05                                                               ` Dan Nicolaescu
2007-05-14 10:11                                                               ` Karoly Lorentey
2007-05-14 10:37                                                                 ` David Kastrup
2007-05-14 11:35                                                                   ` Andreas Schwab
2007-05-14 12:24                                                                     ` David Kastrup
2007-05-14 12:45                                                                       ` Andreas Schwab
2007-05-14 12:52                                                                         ` David Kastrup
2007-05-14 13:36                                                                           ` Andreas Schwab
2007-05-14 13:41                                                                             ` David Kastrup
2007-05-14 13:42                                                                               ` Andreas Schwab
2007-05-14 16:48                                                                               ` Dan Nicolaescu
2007-05-14 17:29                                                                                 ` David Kastrup
2007-05-14 18:19                                                                                   ` Dan Nicolaescu
2007-05-14 19:07                                                                                     ` David Kastrup
2007-05-14 20:04                                                                                       ` Dan Nicolaescu
2007-05-14 20:24                                                                                         ` David Kastrup
2007-05-14 21:02                                                                                           ` Dan Nicolaescu
2007-05-14 21:20                                                                                             ` Jason Rumney
2007-05-14 21:49                                                                                               ` Dan Nicolaescu
2007-05-14 22:00                                                                                                 ` David Kastrup
2007-05-15 19:38                                                                                               ` Richard Stallman
2007-05-14 21:27                                                                                             ` David Kastrup
2007-05-14 22:13                                                                                               ` Dan Nicolaescu
2007-05-14 22:27                                                                                                 ` David Kastrup
2007-05-14 22:38                                                                                                   ` Thien-Thi Nguyen
2007-05-14 22:44                                                                                                     ` David Kastrup
2007-05-14 23:03                                                                                                       ` Multi-tty design Nick Roberts
2007-05-14 23:29                                                                                                         ` David Kastrup
2007-05-15  7:44                                                                                                       ` Multi-tty design (Re: Reordering etc/NEWS) Dan Nicolaescu
2007-05-15  8:24                                                                                                         ` Jason Rumney
2007-05-16  1:51                                                                                                       ` Karoly Lorentey
2007-05-14 22:59                                                                                                     ` Jason Rumney
2007-05-14 23:22                                                                                                     ` Miles Bader
2007-05-14 22:42                                                                                                   ` joakim
2007-05-14 22:55                                                                                                     ` David Kastrup
2007-05-14 22:50                                                                                                   ` Dan Nicolaescu
2007-05-14 23:05                                                                                                     ` Lennart Borgman (gmail)
2007-05-15  7:41                                                                                                       ` David Kastrup
2007-05-15 16:48                                                                                                         ` Lennart Borgman (gmail)
2007-05-14 22:35                                                                                                 ` Thien-Thi Nguyen
2007-05-15 15:53                                                                                             ` Karoly Lorentey
2007-05-16  1:41                                                                                               ` Karoly Lorentey
2007-05-16 15:41                                                                                                 ` Stefan Monnier
2007-05-17 13:12                                                                                                   ` David Kastrup
2007-05-17 15:31                                                                                                     ` Károly Lo"rentey
2007-05-17 17:00                                                                                                       ` David Kastrup
2007-05-17 20:02                                                                                                         ` Ken Raeburn
2007-05-17 21:17                                                                                                           ` David Kastrup
2007-05-18  3:36                                                                                                           ` Károly Lőrentey
2007-05-17 22:51                                                                                                       ` Stefan Monnier
2007-05-18  2:58                                                                                                         ` Karoly Lorentey
2007-05-18  7:19                                                                                                           ` David Kastrup
2007-05-18 11:04                                                                                                             ` Karoly Lorentey
2007-05-18 11:48                                                                                                               ` David Kastrup
2007-05-18 11:58                                                                                                                 ` Karoly Lorentey
2007-05-18  2:52                                                                                                       ` Miles Bader
2007-05-17 22:46                                                                                                     ` Stefan Monnier
2007-05-17 14:35                                                                                                   ` Károly Lo"rentey
2007-05-17  9:59                                                                                                 ` Richard Stallman
2007-05-17 14:05                                                                                                   ` Karoly Lorentey
2007-05-17 16:46                                                                                                 ` David Kastrup
2007-05-17 23:11                                                                                                   ` Stefan Monnier
2007-05-18  7:36                                                                                                     ` David Kastrup
2007-05-18 14:24                                                                                                       ` Stefan Monnier
2007-05-18 14:49                                                                                                         ` David Kastrup
2007-05-18 16:27                                                                                                           ` Stefan Monnier
2007-05-20  9:04                                                                                                             ` David Kastrup
2007-05-21 13:15                                                                                                               ` Stefan Monnier
2007-05-21 13:35                                                                                                                 ` David Kastrup
2007-05-22  1:54                                                                                                                   ` Miles Bader
2007-05-22  6:37                                                                                                                     ` David Kastrup
2007-05-22 15:49                                                                                                                       ` Richard Stallman
2007-05-22 21:26                                                                                                                         ` David Kastrup
2007-05-23 18:55                                                                                                                           ` Richard Stallman
2007-05-23 19:24                                                                                                                             ` David Kastrup
2007-05-24 10:55                                                                                                                               ` Richard Stallman
2007-05-24 11:04                                                                                                                                 ` David Kastrup
2007-05-18 15:18                                                                                                       ` Eli Zaretskii
2007-05-18  2:47                                                                                                   ` Karoly Lorentey
2007-05-18  8:14                                                                                                     ` David Kastrup
2007-05-18 11:55                                                                                                       ` Karoly Lorentey
2007-05-18 12:24                                                                                                         ` David Kastrup
2007-05-18 17:40                                                                                                           ` Karoly Lorentey
2007-05-18 18:18                                                                                                             ` David Kastrup
2007-05-18 23:09                                                                                                           ` Richard Stallman
2007-05-20 18:13                                                                                                             ` Károly Lo"rentey
2007-05-14 21:05                                                                                           ` David Kastrup
2007-05-12 21:52                                             ` Richard Stallman
2007-05-12 16:48                                       ` Reordering etc/NEWS Richard Stallman
2007-05-10 10:24                                   ` joakim
2007-05-10 10:24                                 ` Jason Rumney
2007-05-11 22:58                               ` Multi-tty branch status (Re: Reordering etc/NEWS) Karoly Lorentey
2007-05-12  4:20                                 ` Glenn Morris
2007-05-12  6:48                                   ` Kalle Olavi Niemitalo
2007-05-12  7:58                                     ` David Kastrup
2007-05-12 16:48                                       ` Richard Stallman
2007-05-12 10:30                                   ` Károly Lo"rentey
2007-05-12 11:11                                     ` David Kastrup
2007-05-12 21:52                                     ` Richard Stallman
2007-05-12 16:48                                 ` Richard Stallman
2007-05-12 17:25                                   ` Karoly Lorentey
2007-05-10 10:28                         ` Reordering etc/NEWS YAMAMOTO Mitsuharu
2007-05-09 22:58                     ` Nick Roberts
2007-05-10  6:21                       ` David Kastrup
2007-05-10  1:23                     ` Stefan Monnier
2007-05-10  1:43                       ` Karl Fogel
2007-05-11  7:42                   ` Richard Stallman
2007-05-11  8:03                     ` Kenichi Handa
2007-05-11  8:34                       ` Nick Roberts
2007-05-11  8:44                       ` Merging multitty (was: Reordering etc/NEWS) David Kastrup
2007-05-11  9:20                         ` Merging multitty Jason Rumney
2007-05-11 10:00                           ` David Kastrup
2007-05-11 10:25                             ` Jason Rumney
2007-05-11 11:01                               ` David Kastrup
2007-05-11 21:05                               ` Karoly Lorentey
2007-05-12 16:48                                 ` Richard Stallman
2007-05-12 17:58                                   ` David Kastrup
2007-05-14 10:52                                     ` Kenichi Handa
2007-05-12 19:32                                   ` Dan Nicolaescu
2007-05-12 19:42                                     ` David Kastrup
2007-05-12 20:19                                       ` Dan Nicolaescu
2007-05-12 20:27                                         ` David Kastrup
2007-05-12 20:30                                     ` Samium Gromoff
2007-05-11 21:10                               ` Károly Lo"rentey
2007-05-11 12:00                             ` Kenichi Handa
2007-05-11 13:14                               ` David Kastrup
2007-05-11 13:33                                 ` Juanma Barranquero
2007-05-11 13:51                                   ` David Kastrup [this message]
2007-05-11 13:57                                     ` David Kastrup
2007-05-11 14:09                                       ` Jason Rumney
2007-05-11 14:17                                     ` Juanma Barranquero
2007-05-11 14:34                                     ` Miles Bader
2007-05-11 21:34                                   ` Karoly Lorentey
2007-05-12  7:43                                     ` Eli Zaretskii
2007-05-11 13:34                               ` merging Unicode branch and availability of Windows binaries Drew Adams
2007-05-14 14:16                                 ` Drew Adams
2007-05-14 14:30                                   ` David Kastrup
2007-05-14 15:05                                     ` Drew Adams
2007-05-14 17:32                                       ` David Kastrup
2007-05-11 21:56                           ` Merging multitty Richard Stallman
2007-05-11  9:45                         ` Miles Bader
2007-05-11 10:02                           ` David Kastrup
2007-05-11 21:56                           ` Richard Stallman
2007-05-13  1:33                             ` Miles Bader
2007-05-13  3:11                               ` Nick Roberts
2007-05-13  3:27                                 ` Miles Bader
2007-05-13  4:00                                   ` Nick Roberts
2007-05-13  4:21                                     ` Miles Bader
2007-05-13 12:43                                       ` Karoly Lorentey
2007-05-14  8:08                                   ` Richard Stallman
2007-05-14 10:19                                     ` Miles Bader
2007-05-14 11:02                                     ` Karoly Lorentey
2007-05-14 14:46                                       ` Kim F. Storm
2007-05-15  9:46                                       ` Richard Stallman
2007-05-15 20:49                                         ` Eli Zaretskii
     [not found]                                         ` <4649F799.3050108@lorentey.hu>
2007-05-16  1:39                                           ` Richard Stallman
2007-05-10 13:06               ` Reordering etc/NEWS Richard Stallman
2007-05-10 14:14                 ` Juanma Barranquero
2007-05-10 14:25                   ` David Kastrup
2007-05-10 14:49                     ` Juanma Barranquero
2007-05-10 17:15                       ` David Kastrup
2007-05-10 17:21                         ` Juanma Barranquero
2007-05-10 15:53                 ` Karl Fogel
2007-05-10 17:39                   ` Ken Manheimer
2007-05-10 17:44                     ` Juanma Barranquero
2007-05-11  8:50                   ` Eli Zaretskii
2007-05-11 11:23                     ` Juanma Barranquero
2007-05-11 15:46                       ` Eli Zaretskii
2007-05-11 16:09                         ` Juanma Barranquero
2007-05-11 17:43                           ` Eli Zaretskii
2007-05-11 17:49                     ` Karl Fogel
2007-05-11 18:26                       ` Eli Zaretskii
2007-05-11 18:37                         ` Karl Fogel
2007-05-12  7:22                           ` Eli Zaretskii
2007-05-12  7:59                             ` David Kastrup
2007-05-12 13:24                               ` Eli Zaretskii
2007-05-12 16:47                           ` Richard Stallman
2007-05-11 18:48                   ` Richard Stallman
2007-05-11 21:46                     ` Karl Fogel
2007-05-10 17:13                 ` David Kastrup
2007-05-11 18:48                   ` Richard Stallman
2007-05-07 16:50       ` Richard Stallman
2007-05-07 21:37         ` Eli Zaretskii
2007-05-07 21:56           ` David Kastrup
2007-05-07 10:05     ` Alan Mackenzie
2007-05-07 10:12       ` David Kastrup
2007-05-07 13:39         ` Jay Belanger
2007-05-07 13:45           ` David Kastrup
2007-05-07 13:54             ` Thomas Hühn
2007-05-07 14:03               ` David Kastrup
2007-05-07 14:57       ` Chong Yidong
2007-05-07 23:28         ` Richard Stallman
2007-05-07 23:28       ` Richard Stallman

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