From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.org!.POSTED.blaine.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Emanuel Berg via help-gnu-emacs Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.help Subject: answer from Zoho (was: Re: the future of the computer world (was: Re: Google Gmail mailing list bounces)) Date: Wed, 29 May 2019 21:32:40 +0200 Message-ID: <861s0h6opz.fsf_-_@zoho.eu> References: <864l5jf8pm.fsf@zoho.eu> <20190525063147.GD31415@tuxteam.de> <86h89jdkqw.fsf_-_@zoho.eu> <20190525115453.GB12528@tuxteam.de> <86v9xvb1dh.fsf@zoho.eu> <86imtvb0nq.fsf@zoho.eu> <86ef4jasoe.fsf@zoho.eu> <20190528083958.GB31104@tuxteam.de> <86sgsz9cv3.fsf@zoho.eu> <20190528085955.GD31104@tuxteam.de> Reply-To: Emanuel Berg Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Injection-Info: blaine.gmane.org; posting-host="blaine.gmane.org:195.159.176.226"; logging-data="246417"; mail-complaints-to="usenet@blaine.gmane.org" User-Agent: Gnus/5.13 (Gnus v5.13) Emacs/25.1 (gnu/linux) To: help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org Original-X-From: help-gnu-emacs-bounces+geh-help-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Wed May 29 21:33:05 2019 Return-path: Envelope-to: geh-help-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([209.51.188.17]) by blaine.gmane.org with esmtps (TLS1.0:RSA_AES_256_CBC_SHA1:256) (Exim 4.89) (envelope-from ) id 1hW4Js-0011xA-66 for geh-help-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org; Wed, 29 May 2019 21:33:04 +0200 Original-Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:59649 helo=lists.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1hW4Jr-0003Kn-6C for geh-help-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org; Wed, 29 May 2019 15:33:03 -0400 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([209.51.188.92]:43430) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1hW4Jh-0003Kc-OU for help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Wed, 29 May 2019 15:32:54 -0400 Original-Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1hW4Jg-0002tw-EN for help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Wed, 29 May 2019 15:32:53 -0400 Original-Received: from [195.159.176.226] (port=34880 helo=blaine.gmane.org) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.0:RSA_AES_256_CBC_SHA1:32) (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1hW4Jg-0002r2-6e for help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Wed, 29 May 2019 15:32:52 -0400 Original-Received: from list by blaine.gmane.org with local (Exim 4.89) (envelope-from ) id 1hW4Ja-0011ZP-SM for help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Wed, 29 May 2019 21:32:46 +0200 X-Injected-Via-Gmane: http://gmane.org/ Mail-Followup-To: help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org Mail-Copies-To: never Cancel-Lock: sha1:fIOjsYf00cDkOR7PtohhOE8uT9o= X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: GNU/Linux 2.2.x-3.x [generic] X-Received-From: 195.159.176.226 X-BeenThere: help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.21 Precedence: list List-Id: Users list for the GNU Emacs text editor List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: help-gnu-emacs-bounces+geh-help-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: "help-gnu-emacs" Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.help:120690 Archived-At: I got an answer from Zoho after pointing to the thread where it was said they were incorrect blaming Gmail for what happened. They write Answered by XXX Hello, Apologies for the trouble. We explained this during the initial conversation. When an email sent through zoho.com/zoho.eu is not authenticated it could possibly be rejected. Meanwhile, we would like to inform you that we have made some changes on our end for the domain zoho.com to prevent abuse of our email service through zoho.com. We have listed the same in the below post for your reference: https://help.zoho.com/portal/community/topic/preventing-spam-emails-using-zoho-com-enforcing-spf-dkim-and-dmarc-for-zoho-com-accounts Kindly try sending emails only through Zoho Webmail or from an Authenticated SMTP server to avoid such inconveniences. Hope this helps. Do write to us for any queries. To this, I, not bothering to hide my annoyance with the whole affair and with them in particular, so to this I answered this, hoping I interpreted the material presented here in help-gnu-emacs/gmane.emacs.help in a correct way: Zoho Cares wrote: When an email sent through zoho.com/zoho.eu is not authenticated it could possibly be rejected. It will _always_ be rejected when sent from a mailing list or a newsgroup to a receiver who complies with your own policy. You can confirm this with the following commands: $ host -t txt _dmarc.zoho.eu _dmarc.zoho.eu descriptive text "v=DMARC1; p=reject; sp=reject; fo=0; rua=mailto:dmarc.reports.eu@zoho.eu; ruf=mailto:dmarc.reports.eu@zoho.eu" and $ dig _dmarc.zoho.eu txt +short "v=DMARC1; p=reject; sp=reject; fo=0; rua=mailto:dmarc.reports.eu@zoho.eu; ruf=mailto:dmarc.reports.eu@zoho.eu" Did you read this thread? It is explained in full [1]. Meanwhile, we would like to inform you that we have made some changes on our end for the domain zoho.com to prevent abuse of our email service through zoho.com. We have listed the same in the below post for your reference: https://help.zoho.com/portal/community/topic/preventing-spam-emails-using-zoho-com-enforcing-spf-dkim-and-dmarc-for-zoho-com-accounts Only that link doesn't work for me: it shows a blank tab. Kindly try sending emails only through Zoho Webmail or from an Authenticated SMTP server to avoid such inconveniences. I'm not ever going to use your web interface. I've been using Emacs Gnus for ~10 years now and put many man hours into configuring and extending and learing to use it to my liking. If I had known one was supposed to use the web interface with Zoho, I would never have registered in the first place. Anyway now they have put a fix in the help-gnu-emacs/gmane.emacs.help machinery so when I send to them, it is resent by them, but without the DMARC policy of yours, so it'll still reach Gmail and other users. Is this a correct understanding of what just happened? If it isn't - too late, I already sent him the reply :) [1] http://lists.gnu.org/archive/html/help-gnu-emacs/2019-05/msg00461.html -- underground experts united http://user.it.uu.se/~embe8573 https://dataswamp.org/~incal