From: Emanuel Berg via help-gnu-emacs <help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org>
To: help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org
Subject: Re: Is Elisp really that slow?
Date: Fri, 31 May 2019 06:52:51 +0200 [thread overview]
Message-ID: <861s0f2pjw.fsf@zoho.eu> (raw)
In-Reply-To: 4583c850-121a-40cb-bbda-6c733d51a460@default
Drew Adams wrote:
> OTOH, a bazaar does have this advantage over
> a cathedral: masses of user/developers
> attracted (in whatever way initially -
> click-bait/"oh-shiny" or not) do sometimes
> improve a thing that might have started out
> rudimentary or poorly designed.
The bazaar is (or has been at least) far
superior to the cathedral but that is a general
statement/observation.
If newcomers to Emacs think it looks unsexy and
that it lacks IDE features, and no one in the
Emacs community does anything about it (save
for the unsexy thing, which they do at their
own desks and dont propagate save for a random
theme on MELPA no one cares to install let
alone bring in as the new standard) then no, to
Emacs and in the unsexy/IDE case it doesn't
matter how much superior the bazaar model in
general is.
But then the question is, why do the Emacs
people act this way? To make Emacs look good
isn't difficult. But the IDE thing? The reason
it hasn't happened is it is to difficult for
the layman Emacs Elisp hacker, and those who
could possibly pull it off are either to busy
with other things or thinks it is too big
a commitment to do on a voluntary-basis?
--
underground experts united
http://user.it.uu.se/~embe8573
https://dataswamp.org/~incal
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2019-05-14 23:54 Is Elisp really that slow? Ergus
2019-05-15 11:57 ` Emanuel Berg
2019-05-15 13:06 ` Dmitry Gutov
2019-05-15 13:25 ` Óscar Fuentes
2019-05-15 13:30 ` Dmitry Gutov
2019-05-15 14:18 ` Óscar Fuentes
2019-05-15 14:45 ` Dmitry Gutov
2019-05-15 15:14 ` Óscar Fuentes
2019-05-15 15:39 ` Dmitry Gutov
2019-05-15 15:51 ` Óscar Fuentes
2019-05-15 16:05 ` Óscar Fuentes
2019-05-15 16:07 ` Dmitry Gutov
2019-05-15 16:05 ` Dmitry Gutov
2019-05-15 16:12 ` Óscar Fuentes
2019-05-15 16:15 ` Dmitry Gutov
2019-05-15 20:23 ` Óscar Fuentes
2019-05-15 20:30 ` Dmitry Gutov
2019-05-15 15:42 ` Stefan Monnier
2019-05-15 17:29 ` Drew Adams
2019-05-15 19:38 ` Ergus
2019-05-15 19:53 ` Drew Adams
2019-05-15 20:09 ` Ergus
2019-05-15 23:24 ` Emanuel Berg
2019-05-15 20:46 ` Ergus
2019-05-15 23:30 ` Emanuel Berg
2019-05-15 23:12 ` Emanuel Berg
2019-05-15 19:47 ` Ergus
2019-05-15 19:45 ` Ergus
2019-05-15 15:18 ` Stefan Monnier
2019-05-15 15:34 ` Óscar Fuentes
2019-05-15 15:51 ` Stefan Monnier
2019-05-15 17:30 ` John Yates
2019-05-15 19:29 ` Ergus
2019-05-15 20:15 ` Ergus
2019-05-15 20:21 ` Dmitry Gutov
2019-05-15 20:57 ` Ergus
2019-05-15 21:00 ` Dmitry Gutov
2019-05-15 21:17 ` Ergus
2019-05-17 11:09 ` Dmitry Gutov
2019-05-15 15:07 ` Uniformity (was: Is Elisp really that slow?) Stefan Monnier
2019-05-15 15:24 ` Uniformity Óscar Fuentes
2019-05-15 15:45 ` Uniformity Stefan Monnier
2019-05-15 19:58 ` Uniformity (was: Is Elisp really that slow?) Ergus
2019-05-18 23:51 ` Emanuel Berg
2019-05-15 15:14 ` Is Elisp really that slow? Eli Zaretskii
2019-05-15 15:40 ` Óscar Fuentes
2019-05-15 16:14 ` Eli Zaretskii
2019-05-15 16:23 ` Tadeus Prastowo
2019-05-15 16:27 ` tomas
2019-05-15 17:00 ` Eli Zaretskii
2019-05-15 20:09 ` Óscar Fuentes
2019-05-16 13:12 ` Eli Zaretskii
2019-05-16 13:40 ` Óscar Fuentes
2019-05-16 14:06 ` Eli Zaretskii
2019-05-15 21:09 ` Ergus
2019-05-16 14:12 ` Eli Zaretskii
2019-05-16 16:14 ` Ergus
2019-05-16 17:46 ` Eli Zaretskii
2019-05-16 20:23 ` Ergus
2019-05-16 20:50 ` Óscar Fuentes
2019-05-16 22:46 ` Ergus
2019-05-16 23:19 ` Óscar Fuentes
2019-05-28 21:08 ` Emanuel Berg via help-gnu-emacs
2019-05-28 21:50 ` Drew Adams
2019-05-17 1:28 ` Jean-Christophe Helary
2019-05-17 2:26 ` Óscar Fuentes
2019-05-17 4:05 ` Jean-Christophe Helary
2019-05-17 6:08 ` Ergus
2019-05-17 9:21 ` tomas
2019-05-17 14:01 ` Óscar Fuentes
2019-05-17 14:16 ` Dmitry Gutov
2019-05-17 14:50 ` Óscar Fuentes
2019-05-17 18:19 ` Dmitry Gutov
2019-05-17 19:23 ` Óscar Fuentes
2019-05-17 20:51 ` Dmitry Gutov
2019-05-17 16:37 ` tomas
2019-05-17 16:50 ` Óscar Fuentes
2019-05-17 17:05 ` Óscar Fuentes
2019-05-17 18:11 ` Dmitry Gutov
2019-05-17 18:16 ` Dmitry Gutov
2019-05-17 18:14 ` Dmitry Gutov
2019-05-30 12:09 ` Emanuel Berg via help-gnu-emacs
2019-06-25 16:48 ` Jean Louis
2019-05-29 4:58 ` Emanuel Berg via help-gnu-emacs
2019-05-17 13:46 ` Óscar Fuentes
2019-05-29 4:26 ` Emanuel Berg via help-gnu-emacs
2019-05-17 5:52 ` Ergus
2019-05-17 9:01 ` Eli Zaretskii
2019-05-17 12:35 ` Ergus
2019-05-17 13:13 ` Eli Zaretskii
2019-05-17 13:22 ` Dmitry Gutov
2019-05-17 13:39 ` Eli Zaretskii
2019-05-17 15:07 ` Óscar Fuentes
2019-05-18 15:41 ` Dmitry Gutov
2019-05-17 15:39 ` Ergus
2019-05-17 15:47 ` Noam Postavsky
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2019-05-17 19:24 ` Ergus
2019-05-17 20:12 ` Eli Zaretskii
2019-05-19 13:38 ` Ergus
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2019-06-07 18:46 ` Emanuel Berg via help-gnu-emacs
2019-06-02 10:49 ` Stefan Huchler
2019-06-02 19:16 ` Marcin Borkowski
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2019-05-17 14:21 ` Óscar Fuentes
2019-05-17 15:02 ` Drew Adams
2019-05-17 16:29 ` Stefan Huchler
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2019-05-19 18:40 ` Óscar Fuentes
2019-05-20 6:47 ` tomas
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2019-05-21 12:19 ` Van L
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2019-05-22 7:13 ` Emanuel Berg
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2019-05-02 21:40 Why is Elisp slow? Ergus
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2019-05-10 13:14 ` Van L
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