From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: "Drew Adams" Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.bugs Subject: bug#7196: 24.0.50; NEWS item "Selection changes" Date: Tue, 12 Oct 2010 07:56:40 -0700 Message-ID: <861FD1851FD742E4A821C8ECDDB11A55@us.oracle.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: lo.gmane.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Trace: dough.gmane.org 1286897728 27183 80.91.229.12 (12 Oct 2010 15:35:28 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@dough.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Tue, 12 Oct 2010 15:35:28 +0000 (UTC) To: 7196@debbugs.gnu.org Original-X-From: bug-gnu-emacs-bounces+geb-bug-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Tue Oct 12 17:35:26 2010 Return-path: Envelope-to: geb-bug-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([199.232.76.165]) by lo.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1P5gsw-000567-EY for geb-bug-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org; Tue, 12 Oct 2010 17:35:26 +0200 Original-Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:58219 helo=lists.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1P5gsv-0006ho-F9 for geb-bug-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org; 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Tue, 12 Oct 2010 07:56:42 -0700 X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook 11 Thread-Index: ActqHa12S7HETJ/LROiA44OIO7tY7Q== X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.5994 X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: GNU/Linux 2.6 (newer, 3) X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: GNU/Linux 2.6, seldom 2.4 (older, 4) X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.11 Precedence: list Resent-Date: Tue, 12 Oct 2010 10:54:02 -0400 X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: GNU/Linux 2.6 (newer, 3) X-BeenThere: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org List-Id: "Bug reports for GNU Emacs, the Swiss army knife of text editors" List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Original-Sender: bug-gnu-emacs-bounces+geb-bug-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Errors-To: bug-gnu-emacs-bounces+geb-bug-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.bugs:40825 Archived-At: The NEWS item is woefully incomplete. It doesn't explain much of anything about the selection changes for Emacs 24 - and they are radical changes. Among other things, NEWS should detail the differences from the previous behavior, and explain clearly how to return to the previous behavior (exactly, completely). It is not enough to just give one-liners for a few variables, such as "`x-select-enable-primary' now defaults to nil." This should be obvious. Users and user-level descriptions should come first, before implementation changes are made. In GNU Emacs 24.0.50.1 (i386-mingw-nt5.1.2600) of 2010-09-20 on 3249CTO Windowing system distributor `Microsoft Corp.', version 5.1.2600 configured using `configure --with-gcc (4.4) --no-opt --cflags -Ic:/imagesupport/include'