From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: David Kastrup Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: Re: Pretest Date: Mon, 20 Nov 2006 10:55:31 +0100 Message-ID: <85y7q6788c.fsf@lola.goethe.zz> References: <87slggjtbb.fsf@furball.mit.edu> <17759.43936.82301.353794@kahikatea.snap.net.nz> <85irhbg6zx.fsf@lola.goethe.zz> <17760.11257.78362.216206@kahikatea.snap.net.nz> <85wt5reo3b.fsf@lola.goethe.zz> <17760.17309.553008.718144@kahikatea.snap.net.nz> <85slgfcy5v.fsf@lola.goethe.zz> <45606E21.9030000@student.lu.se> <45609A48.2080905@gnu.org> <4560B581.3030201@gnu.org> <851wnzb1sz.fsf@lola.goethe.zz> <4560CDBD.3080308@gnu.org> <857ixr9ke7.fsf@lola.goethe.zz> <4560D570.9060103@student.lu.se> <85y7q783ak.fsf@lola.goethe.zz> <4560E279.9050700@student.lu.se> <85lkm7814p.fsf@lola.goethe.zz> <4560FDD4.2060103@student.lu.se> <8564da9anu.fsf@lola.goethe.zz> <45616414.2080802@student.lu.se> NNTP-Posting-Host: main.gmane.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Trace: sea.gmane.org 1164016768 19705 80.91.229.2 (20 Nov 2006 09:59:28 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@sea.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Mon, 20 Nov 2006 09:59:28 +0000 (UTC) Cc: emacs-devel@gnu.org Original-X-From: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Mon Nov 20 10:59:23 2006 Return-path: Envelope-to: ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([199.232.76.165]) by ciao.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1Gm5vt-0003Is-GD for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Mon, 20 Nov 2006 10:59:21 +0100 Original-Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1] helo=lists.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1Gm5vs-0005IA-RX for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Mon, 20 Nov 2006 04:59:20 -0500 Original-Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1Gm5sZ-0004MI-0V for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Mon, 20 Nov 2006 04:55:55 -0500 Original-Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1Gm5sV-0004Ic-UG for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Mon, 20 Nov 2006 04:55:52 -0500 Original-Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1Gm5sU-0004HY-5E for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Mon, 20 Nov 2006 04:55:50 -0500 Original-Received: from [199.232.76.164] (helo=fencepost.gnu.org) by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.52) id 1Gm5sT-0008H7-Fv for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Mon, 20 Nov 2006 04:55:49 -0500 Original-Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1] helo=lola.goethe.zz) by fencepost.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.34) id 1Gm5sS-0006TA-0f; Mon, 20 Nov 2006 04:55:48 -0500 Original-Received: by lola.goethe.zz (Postfix, from userid 1002) id E1E301C4D3DE; Mon, 20 Nov 2006 10:55:31 +0100 (CET) Original-To: Lennart Borgman In-Reply-To: <45616414.2080802@student.lu.se> (Lennart Borgman's message of "Mon\, 20 Nov 2006 09\:15\:16 +0100") User-Agent: Gnus/5.11 (Gnus v5.11) Emacs/22.0.90 (gnu/linux) X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Original-Sender: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.devel:62548 Archived-At: Lennart Borgman writes: > David Kastrup wrote: >> Lennart Borgman writes: > > I am asking you off list not to clutter the list. I believe I still do > not understand you. I don't think it makes sense to take this off-list since we are talking about how to implement something that affects all users, and since there must be a consensus how to get there eventually. And if my explanations are deficient, you are not the only person who should get a better version of them. So I am taking the liberty of including the list again. >> My proposal was all about _not_ needing to start Emacs server in >> the first place. Instead, Emacs is set up such that server-quit >> will _not_ attempt talking to some emacsclient, but will rather >> kill the emacsproxy it was started from. > > Maybe I understand now. But does not your proposal mean that you > have several emacsen running if you are waiting for sever files or > have emacs running as a server at the same time, or? > > Does it not also mean that for each file you want to edit this way > emacs have to start itself and then run the init files? Only if a user indeed does not have (server-start) in his .emacs file or the communication fails. If that is found dissatisfactory as a default, it would be possible to let server-proxy-start (or whatever emacsproxy would cause its Emacs copy to execute in order to inform it what process to kill on server-done) also start the Emacs server by default. But it would be something which would not concern the operation of the _currently_ executing emacsclient/emacsproxy/emacs trio. _This_ emacsclient has already decided not to try the socket again and _replaced_ itself via exec with emacsproxy as an alternative editor, and emacsproxy does not talk via a socket, anyway, since its whole purpose is just to be an Emacs replacement that exits in proxy when server-done is executed in its Emacs, without going through the socket. -- David Kastrup, Kriemhildstr. 15, 44793 Bochum