From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: David Kastrup Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: Re: Change in emacsclient behavior Date: Sat, 01 Sep 2007 10:26:44 +0200 Message-ID: <85y7fqaj0b.fsf@lola.goethe.zz> References: NNTP-Posting-Host: lo.gmane.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Trace: sea.gmane.org 1188635246 14173 80.91.229.12 (1 Sep 2007 08:27:26 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@sea.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Sat, 1 Sep 2007 08:27:26 +0000 (UTC) Cc: rms@gnu.org, emacs-devel@gnu.org To: Eli Zaretskii Original-X-From: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Sat Sep 01 10:27:25 2007 Return-path: Envelope-to: ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([199.232.76.165]) by lo.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.50) id 1IROK7-00058L-RA for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Sat, 01 Sep 2007 10:27:20 +0200 Original-Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1] helo=lists.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1IROK6-0004k1-Pr for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Sat, 01 Sep 2007 04:27:18 -0400 Original-Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1IROK1-0004i6-Lm for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Sat, 01 Sep 2007 04:27:13 -0400 Original-Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1IROJz-0004ep-JG for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Sat, 01 Sep 2007 04:27:12 -0400 Original-Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1IROJz-0004ei-78 for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Sat, 01 Sep 2007 04:27:11 -0400 Original-Received: from mail-in-11.arcor-online.net ([151.189.21.51]) by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS-1.0:DHE_RSA_AES_256_CBC_SHA1:32) (Exim 4.60) (envelope-from ) id 1IROJq-0006sS-1p; Sat, 01 Sep 2007 04:27:02 -0400 Original-Received: from mail-in-03-z2.arcor-online.net (mail-in-03-z2.arcor-online.net [151.189.8.15]) by mail-in-11.arcor-online.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id A179112B46; Sat, 1 Sep 2007 10:26:56 +0200 (CEST) Original-Received: from mail-in-13.arcor-online.net (mail-in-13.arcor-online.net [151.189.21.53]) by mail-in-03-z2.arcor-online.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8BC112D3B30; Sat, 1 Sep 2007 10:26:56 +0200 (CEST) Original-Received: from lola.goethe.zz (dslb-084-061-061-160.pools.arcor-ip.net [84.61.61.160]) by mail-in-13.arcor-online.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 284D8225128; Sat, 1 Sep 2007 10:26:48 +0200 (CEST) Original-Received: by lola.goethe.zz (Postfix, from userid 1002) id 5C97D1D3DB8A; Sat, 1 Sep 2007 10:26:44 +0200 (CEST) In-Reply-To: (Eli Zaretskii's message of "Sat\, 01 Sep 2007 10\:41\:25 +0300") User-Agent: Gnus/5.11 (Gnus v5.11) Emacs/22.1.50 (gnu/linux) X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.91.1/4114/Sat Sep 1 08:09:57 2007 on mail-in-13.arcor-online.net X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Detected-Kernel: Linux 2.4-2.6 X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Original-Sender: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.devel:77539 Archived-At: Eli Zaretskii writes: >> From: Richard Stallman >> CC: emacs-devel@gnu.org >> Date: Fri, 31 Aug 2007 14:21:35 -0400 >> >> > For people that normally don't make new frames, this will be a hassle. >> >> Yes, I agree. Frames popping up without my say-so are a nuisance. >> >> Would you like to fix this? > > I don't think this is a good idea, since my free time will be > severely limited in the near future, and on top of that, I'm not > familiar at all with the multi-tty code and the changes it > introduced into Emacs. It is not like we have an abundance of those who are familiar with it and have time working on it. Is there even one? At least, the set might be so small that it does not include people beyond the creators, so they might not be overly inclined to back out changes they considered a good idea. As far as I can tell, multi-tty is one package including several things, some of which may more reflect the author's personal preferences rather than actual technical requirements for the multi-tty functionality. Boiling down the multi-tty work to a level where it basically includes those things necessary and desirable will be work. It might have been easier to manage while there was still a separate branch, but there was ample opportunity to do so before the merge, and it did not really make people work on that (myself very much included). Like before, things don't fix and document and simplify themselves. -- David Kastrup, Kriemhildstr. 15, 44793 Bochum