From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: David Kastrup Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: Re: delete-selection-mode Date: Mon, 21 Apr 2008 08:24:57 +0200 Message-ID: <85y777sp1i.fsf@lola.goethe.zz> References: <004a01c8a1a0$7215cdd0$0200a8c0@us.oracle.com> <878wz9btq8.fsf@jurta.org> <85fxthy4qp.fsf@lola.goethe.zz> <87hcdxz9zr.fsf_-_@jurta.org> <87ve2cfk9x.fsf@stupidchicken.com> <200804201931.m3KJVO4X008875@sallyv1.ics.uci.edu> <858wz8ux2w.fsf@lola.goethe.zz> <480BA779.2080507@gmail.com> <853apguv0s.fsf@lola.goethe.zz> <480BAD5C.4090204@gmail.com> <85prskte96.fsf@lola.goethe.zz> <480BB8C0.4020303@gmail.com> <85abjnu5ss.fsf@lola.goethe.zz> <480C31B9.6060900@gmail.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: lo.gmane.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Trace: ger.gmane.org 1208759128 27531 80.91.229.12 (21 Apr 2008 06:25:28 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@ger.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Mon, 21 Apr 2008 06:25:28 +0000 (UTC) Cc: rms@gnu.org, Chong Yidong , emacs-devel@gnu.org, Juri Linkov , Dan Nicolaescu , Stefan Monnier , drew.adams@oracle.com To: "Lennart Borgman \(gmail\)" Original-X-From: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Mon Apr 21 08:26:02 2008 connect(): Connection refused Return-path: Envelope-to: ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([199.232.76.165]) by lo.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.50) id 1JnpTW-00040g-97 for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Mon, 21 Apr 2008 08:26:02 +0200 Original-Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1] helo=lists.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1JnpSq-000676-Pn for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Mon, 21 Apr 2008 02:25:20 -0400 Original-Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1JnpSk-00065L-S8 for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Mon, 21 Apr 2008 02:25:14 -0400 Original-Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1JnpSi-00064q-NE for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Mon, 21 Apr 2008 02:25:13 -0400 Original-Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1JnpSi-00064n-HK for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Mon, 21 Apr 2008 02:25:12 -0400 Original-Received: from mail-in-07.arcor-online.net ([151.189.21.47]) by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS-1.0:DHE_RSA_AES_256_CBC_SHA1:32) (Exim 4.60) (envelope-from ) id 1JnpSc-0000jD-Ne; Mon, 21 Apr 2008 02:25:07 -0400 Original-Received: from mail-in-16-z2.arcor-online.net (mail-in-16-z2.arcor-online.net [151.189.8.33]) by mail-in-07.arcor-online.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 05AD724AE00; Mon, 21 Apr 2008 08:25:05 +0200 (CEST) Original-Received: from mail-in-05.arcor-online.net (mail-in-05.arcor-online.net [151.189.21.45]) by mail-in-16-z2.arcor-online.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id E8E902543D7; Mon, 21 Apr 2008 08:25:04 +0200 (CEST) Original-Received: from lola.goethe.zz (dslb-084-061-038-079.pools.arcor-ip.net [84.61.38.79]) by mail-in-05.arcor-online.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id B82CE1CB893; Mon, 21 Apr 2008 08:25:04 +0200 (CEST) Original-Received: by lola.goethe.zz (Postfix, from userid 1002) id 49C631C39587; Mon, 21 Apr 2008 08:24:56 +0200 (CEST) In-Reply-To: <480C31B9.6060900@gmail.com> (Lennart Borgman's message of "Mon, 21 Apr 2008 08:18:33 +0200") User-Agent: Gnus/5.13 (Gnus v5.13) Emacs/23.0.60 (gnu/linux) X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.92.1/6859/Mon Apr 21 06:13:16 2008 on mail-in-05.arcor-online.net X-Virus-Status: Clean X-detected-kernel: by monty-python.gnu.org: Linux 2.4-2.6 X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Original-Sender: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.devel:95598 Archived-At: "Lennart Borgman (gmail)" writes: > David Kastrup wrote: >>> However rereading what >>> you wrote I see that you said that there is no way for the average >>> (new) user to deactivate the region. He/she can use the arrow keys >>> without shift. >> >> That does not deactivate a region when transient-mark-mode is used. > > Is that really the case? Then I think it is a mistake. New users will > expect that arrow keys without shift will deactivate the region. How about trying an Emacs with default settings and workflow before making further suggestions? This is becoming surreal. -- David Kastrup, Kriemhildstr. 15, 44793 Bochum