From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: David Kastrup Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: Re: What a modern collaboration toolkit looks like Date: Fri, 04 Jan 2008 09:51:29 +0100 Message-ID: <85wsqqnfce.fsf@lola.goethe.zz> References: <20080101171120.GC3830@muc.de> <20080101.190535.32709273.wl@gnu.org> <20080101182742.GE3830@muc.de> <20080101.192802.05328072.wl@gnu.org> <20080103010807.GB13318@kobe.laptop> NNTP-Posting-Host: lo.gmane.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Trace: ger.gmane.org 1199437576 23573 80.91.229.12 (4 Jan 2008 09:06:16 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@ger.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Fri, 4 Jan 2008 09:06:16 +0000 (UTC) Cc: esr@snark.thyrsus.com, emacs-devel@gnu.org, esr@thyrsus.com, Giorgos Keramidas , acm@muc.de, eliz@gnu.org To: rms@gnu.org Original-X-From: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Fri Jan 04 10:06:36 2008 Return-path: Envelope-to: ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([199.232.76.165]) by lo.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.50) id 1JAiVW-000780-Nd for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Fri, 04 Jan 2008 10:06:27 +0100 Original-Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1] helo=lists.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1JAiVA-0000h5-Aw for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Fri, 04 Jan 2008 04:06:04 -0500 Original-Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1JAiGR-0007sr-IU for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Fri, 04 Jan 2008 03:50:51 -0500 Original-Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1JAiGQ-0007rI-09 for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Fri, 04 Jan 2008 03:50:51 -0500 Original-Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1JAiGP-0007qw-FM for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Fri, 04 Jan 2008 03:50:49 -0500 Original-Received: from mail-in-10.arcor-online.net ([151.189.21.50]) by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS-1.0:DHE_RSA_AES_256_CBC_SHA1:32) (Exim 4.60) (envelope-from ) id 1JAiGH-000842-Ue; Fri, 04 Jan 2008 03:50:42 -0500 Original-Received: from mail-in-04-z2.arcor-online.net (mail-in-04-z2.arcor-online.net [151.189.8.16]) by mail-in-10.arcor-online.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7BD921F50E6; Fri, 4 Jan 2008 09:50:35 +0100 (CET) Original-Received: from mail-in-04.arcor-online.net (mail-in-04.arcor-online.net [151.189.21.44]) by mail-in-04-z2.arcor-online.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 55F4EABC7E; Fri, 4 Jan 2008 09:50:35 +0100 (CET) Original-Received: from lola.goethe.zz (dslb-084-061-061-126.pools.arcor-ip.net [84.61.61.126]) by mail-in-04.arcor-online.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1EE081BF3DB; Fri, 4 Jan 2008 09:50:31 +0100 (CET) Original-Received: by lola.goethe.zz (Postfix, from userid 1002) id DA69A1CCF7AE; Fri, 4 Jan 2008 09:51:29 +0100 (CET) In-Reply-To: (Richard Stallman's message of "Fri, 04 Jan 2008 00:27:34 -0500") User-Agent: Gnus/5.13 (Gnus v5.13) Emacs/23.0.50 (gnu/linux) X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.91.2/5359/Fri Jan 4 06:37:46 2008 on mail-in-04.arcor-online.net X-Virus-Status: Clean X-detected-kernel: by monty-python.gnu.org: Linux 2.4-2.6 X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Original-Sender: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.devel:86049 Archived-At: Richard Stallman writes: > With CVS > committers are encouraged to avoid committing local changes, > until a future moment when ``the patch will be done and fully > working''. When they reach that future point, the onus of the > merging falls on the person who wants to commit. > > With a distributed SCM system, committing is not so `scary'. > It's ok to commit often, and commit short changes. They are > local. They won't break the remote tree for anyone else. > > I don't think it makes sense to compare these two different "commit" > operations -- it's like comparing an apple to an orange tree branch. > If you compare applies with oranges instead, the difference is > much less. I think that the comparison is quite accurate: the commit does everything that a commit in CVS does. The difference in workflow is not in committing, it is in the fact that everybody has his own repository (and all of them are equal). The difference is that cooperation works by synchronizing repositories (which does not even need a checked-out work directory), not by committing to a central repository. -- David Kastrup, Kriemhildstr. 15, 44793 Bochum