From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: David Kastrup Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: Re: longlines-show-hard-newlines - should not the default be t? Date: Sun, 22 Jun 2008 20:26:20 +0200 Message-ID: <85wskh5nsj.fsf@lola.goethe.zz> References: <485DA2E7.3010207@gmail.com> <873an6l098.fsf@catnip.gol.com> <485E2345.8060605@gmail.com> <485E4550.1070707@gmail.com> <873an5mjfe.fsf@uwakimon.sk.tsukuba.ac.jp> <485E93EC.5030503@gmail.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: lo.gmane.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Trace: ger.gmane.org 1214159206 19579 80.91.229.12 (22 Jun 2008 18:26:46 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@ger.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Sun, 22 Jun 2008 18:26:46 +0000 (UTC) Cc: "Stephen J. Turnbull" , Emacs Devel , Stefan Monnier , Miles Bader To: "Lennart Borgman \(gmail\)" Original-X-From: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Sun Jun 22 20:27:30 2008 Return-path: Envelope-to: ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([199.232.76.165]) by lo.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.50) id 1KAUHh-0002y7-Lv for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Sun, 22 Jun 2008 20:27:29 +0200 Original-Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:46419 helo=lists.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1KAUGs-0002PC-Au for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Sun, 22 Jun 2008 14:26:38 -0400 Original-Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1KAUGm-0002Me-Qr for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Sun, 22 Jun 2008 14:26:32 -0400 Original-Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1KAUGk-0002KI-7y for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Sun, 22 Jun 2008 14:26:31 -0400 Original-Received: from [199.232.76.173] (port=47441 helo=monty-python.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1KAUGk-0002KB-3c for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Sun, 22 Jun 2008 14:26:30 -0400 Original-Received: from mail-in-12.arcor-online.net ([151.189.21.52]:49159) by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS-1.0:DHE_RSA_AES_256_CBC_SHA1:32) (Exim 4.60) (envelope-from ) id 1KAUGd-0003oV-Ek; Sun, 22 Jun 2008 14:26:23 -0400 Original-Received: from mail-in-04-z2.arcor-online.net (mail-in-04-z2.arcor-online.net [151.189.8.16]) by mail-in-12.arcor-online.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7188F4C2CC; Sun, 22 Jun 2008 20:26:21 +0200 (CEST) Original-Received: from mail-in-16.arcor-online.net (mail-in-16.arcor-online.net [151.189.21.56]) by mail-in-04-z2.arcor-online.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 59A7BABD24; Sun, 22 Jun 2008 20:26:21 +0200 (CEST) Original-Received: from lola.goethe.zz (dslb-084-061-005-023.pools.arcor-ip.net [84.61.5.23]) by mail-in-16.arcor-online.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2E0B8236E4D; Sun, 22 Jun 2008 20:26:21 +0200 (CEST) Original-Received: by lola.goethe.zz (Postfix, from userid 1002) id B525A1C2D55B; Sun, 22 Jun 2008 20:26:20 +0200 (CEST) In-Reply-To: <485E93EC.5030503@gmail.com> (Lennart Borgman's message of "Sun, 22 Jun 2008 20:03:24 +0200") User-Agent: Gnus/5.13 (Gnus v5.13) Emacs/23.0.60 (gnu/linux) X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.93/7407/Mon Jun 9 04:21:00 2008 on mail-in-16.arcor-online.net X-Virus-Status: Clean X-detected-kernel: by monty-python.gnu.org: Linux 2.4-2.6 X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Original-Sender: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.devel:99703 Archived-At: "Lennart Borgman (gmail)" writes: > Stephen J. Turnbull wrote: >> Lennart Borgman (gmail) writes: >> >> > Stefan Monnier wrote: >> >> > > add a paragraph-icon in the fringe of the few lines that do not wrap. >> > > But will it not be much harder to see to which line the fringe >> belongs? >> >> That's why when God created Fringes, Right *and* Left did He create >> them. Put it in the left fringe (except in Hebrew and Arabic, of >> course!) > > Yes! But creation is not finished and that is why he gave us the > ability to choose, create. And actually I think using the left fringe > for this would be a mistake. I think most human beeings expect to find > line feeds to the right. Even though that is a human mistake it would > be another not to take this into account. We already made the default scroll bar placement to the left because texts and text work tends to be left-justified. Yes, it is contrary to the normal expectations, but as long as it has a noticeable benefit, that has not kept us from improving Emacs. -- David Kastrup, Kriemhildstr. 15, 44793 Bochum