From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: David Kastrup Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: Re: Emacs vista build failures Date: Tue, 22 Jul 2008 22:31:58 +0200 Message-ID: <85wsjd64ox.fsf@lola.goethe.zz> References: <36366a980807101702r5677d096g8e62ef5b3e278868@mail.gmail.com> <487C5FA3.4070603@emf.net> <87zloggji9.fsf@catnip.gol.com> <878wvxxkn6.fsf@catnip.gol.com> <87ej5oz4pb.fsf@saeurebad.de> <87vdyzxype.fsf@saeurebad.de> <871w1njq32.fsf@catnip.gol.com> <87iquzxgtk.fsf@saeurebad.de> <4884CFEF.8040404@gmail.com> <87ej5nxew2.fsf@saeurebad.de> <4884DA4F.20203@gmail.com> <8763qzxcfd.fsf@saeurebad.de> <4884E551.3050304@gmail.com> <86fxq2j1af.fsf@timbral.net> <4885977B.6090700@gnu.org> <488641EA.6080808@gmail.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: lo.gmane.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Trace: ger.gmane.org 1216758765 2422 80.91.229.12 (22 Jul 2008 20:32:45 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@ger.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Tue, 22 Jul 2008 20:32:45 +0000 (UTC) Cc: thorne@timbral.net, ams@gnu.org, Jason Rumney , emacs-devel@gnu.org To: "Lennart Borgman \(gmail\)" Original-X-From: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Tue Jul 22 22:33:33 2008 Return-path: Envelope-to: ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([199.232.76.165]) by lo.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.50) id 1KLOXs-0007qe-Vx for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Tue, 22 Jul 2008 22:33:17 +0200 Original-Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:48480 helo=lists.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1KLOWz-0002N6-NE for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Tue, 22 Jul 2008 16:32:21 -0400 Original-Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1KLOWv-0002N0-Mr for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Tue, 22 Jul 2008 16:32:17 -0400 Original-Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1KLOWu-0002Mn-7L for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Tue, 22 Jul 2008 16:32:17 -0400 Original-Received: from [199.232.76.173] (port=48175 helo=monty-python.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1KLOWu-0002Mj-1Z for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Tue, 22 Jul 2008 16:32:16 -0400 Original-Received: from mail-in-05.arcor-online.net ([151.189.21.45]:36809) by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS-1.0:DHE_RSA_AES_256_CBC_SHA1:32) (Exim 4.60) (envelope-from ) id 1KLOWi-0003u6-Ck; Tue, 22 Jul 2008 16:32:05 -0400 Original-Received: from mail-in-15-z2.arcor-online.net (mail-in-15-z2.arcor-online.net [151.189.8.32]) by mail-in-05.arcor-online.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id CA7A71835A0; Tue, 22 Jul 2008 22:31:58 +0200 (CEST) Original-Received: from mail-in-06.arcor-online.net (mail-in-06.arcor-online.net [151.189.21.46]) by mail-in-15-z2.arcor-online.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id B797072427D; Tue, 22 Jul 2008 22:31:58 +0200 (CEST) Original-Received: from lola.goethe.zz (dslb-084-061-051-249.pools.arcor-ip.net [84.61.51.249]) by mail-in-06.arcor-online.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5F40735E71F; Tue, 22 Jul 2008 22:31:58 +0200 (CEST) Original-Received: by lola.goethe.zz (Postfix, from userid 1002) id 3DF6E1C1346B; Tue, 22 Jul 2008 22:31:58 +0200 (CEST) In-Reply-To: <488641EA.6080808@gmail.com> (Lennart Borgman's message of "Tue, 22 Jul 2008 22:24:10 +0200") User-Agent: Gnus/5.13 (Gnus v5.13) Emacs/23.0.60 (gnu/linux) X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.93.3/7782/Tue Jul 22 20:02:32 2008 on mail-in-06.arcor-online.net X-Virus-Status: Clean X-detected-kernel: by monty-python.gnu.org: Linux 2.4-2.6 X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Original-Sender: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.devel:101245 Archived-At: "Lennart Borgman (gmail)" writes: > Alfred M. Szmidt wrote: > >> Exactly, wouldn't it be just easier to request the user to install >> whatever POSIX shell that is required in INSTALL or similar? > > There is a POSIX shell for w32, but I do not think that interact well > with normal w32 command line programs. Is there anyone who knows > something about that? MSYS is basically a boxed set of everything you'll likely need for autoconf (modulo compilers). We recommend using it with AUCTeX. It turns out that it still makes a formidable chore for most people to install all that and call autoconf, configure, make and so on. It also happens to be frustratingly hard to write shell, m4 and Makefile code that is immune to backslashes, spaces in file and directory names and similar. And since a typical installation target is "C:\Documents and Settings\dak\My Programs", you get hit with a lot of madness by default that could theoretically also occur under Posix-like systems but usually doesn't (of course, with the advent of MacOSX and GNOME and other GUI stuff, people tend to become less worried about using weird characters nowadays, so it's just a matter of time). -- David Kastrup, Kriemhildstr. 15, 44793 Bochum