From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: David Kastrup Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: Re: Misunderstanding (Re: Emacs-devel Digest, Vol 44, Issue 67) Date: Thu, 11 Oct 2007 02:47:43 +0200 Message-ID: <85ve9etr2o.fsf@lola.goethe.zz> References: <20071010222633.B8E0A73931@grelber.thyrsus.com> <20071010231818.GD1955@thyrsus.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: lo.gmane.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Trace: sea.gmane.org 1192063631 29021 80.91.229.12 (11 Oct 2007 00:47:11 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@sea.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Thu, 11 Oct 2007 00:47:11 +0000 (UTC) Cc: emacs-devel@gnu.org To: esr@thyrsus.com Original-X-From: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Thu Oct 11 02:47:09 2007 Return-path: Envelope-to: ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([199.232.76.165]) by lo.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.50) id 1IfmCi-0000eq-Iv for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Thu, 11 Oct 2007 02:47:08 +0200 Original-Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1] helo=lists.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1IfmCc-0003Qx-Tc for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Wed, 10 Oct 2007 20:47:02 -0400 Original-Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1IfmCZ-0003QA-Ug for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Wed, 10 Oct 2007 20:46:59 -0400 Original-Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1IfmCZ-0003Py-Cc for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Wed, 10 Oct 2007 20:46:59 -0400 Original-Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1IfmCZ-0003Pv-9Z for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Wed, 10 Oct 2007 20:46:59 -0400 Original-Received: from fencepost.gnu.org ([140.186.70.10]) by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.60) (envelope-from ) id 1IfmCZ-0007Ft-1U for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Wed, 10 Oct 2007 20:46:59 -0400 Original-Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1] helo=lola.goethe.zz) by fencepost.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.60) (envelope-from ) id 1IfmBa-0001c2-3R; Wed, 10 Oct 2007 20:45:58 -0400 Original-Received: by lola.goethe.zz (Postfix, from userid 1002) id 824001C1F3DC; Thu, 11 Oct 2007 02:47:44 +0200 (CEST) In-Reply-To: <20071010231818.GD1955@thyrsus.com> (Eric S. Raymond's message of "Wed\, 10 Oct 2007 19\:18\:19 -0400") User-Agent: Gnus/5.11 (Gnus v5.11) Emacs/22.1.50 (gnu/linux) X-Detected-Kernel: Linux 2.6, seldom 2.4 (older, 4) X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Original-Sender: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.devel:80566 Archived-At: "Eric S. Raymond" writes: > From: Manoj Srivastava >> I think you first have to make your case that arch is >> inferior. It does not change a whole lot, but what we have works just >> fine. Over the last year I have twice evaluate bzr and git, and found >> that they do not support the feature set of arch that I have come to >> rely upon -- so in my view, at least, bzr and git are the inferior >> products. YMMV. > > We've had a disconnect. I don't actually have a strong opinion > about Arch one way or the other, other than being somewhat dubious > about its maintainence status. (Full disclosure: from personal > experience with Tom Lord, I consider him borderline insane and > possibly committable -- but I also consider that to be almost > irrelevant to the issue at hand, as having bizarre semi-delusional > episodes clearly hasn't stopped him from writing good software > occasionally.) If it is irrelevant to the issue at hand, why bring it up? I find that quite a lot capable and productive programmers, particularly project leaders, appear borderline insane. It is not really surprising, considering that the brain is one mushy associative holographic memory dump with a single stream of consciousness (known as "mind") emerging as the main interpretation of its state and history in interaction with its surroundings. Lower the redundancy by utilizing your brain better, and readjust with the behavior and sensory impressions and ways of "thinking" of computers rather than humans, and you detune a much more delicate and complex instrument than most others that are around. Most creative geniuses are nuts one way or the other. The world is richer for them. Normal people tend to exhaust their creativity in procreation and leave the task of memorable and lasting creativity to their children. -- David Kastrup, Kriemhildstr. 15, 44793 Bochum