From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: David Kastrup Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: Re: Next release Date: Thu, 08 May 2008 22:56:01 +0200 Message-ID: <85ve1oms66.fsf@lola.goethe.zz> References: <18457.37369.262079.668907@kahikatea.snap.net.nz> <200805040056.m440u3eS022727@sallyv1.ics.uci.edu> <874p9dn46h.fsf@stupidchicken.com> <4822B82A.6030003@gnu.org> <86zlr1qjq3.fsf@lola.quinscape.zz> <4822C648.7050901@gnu.org> <86abj1qgea.fsf@lola.quinscape.zz> <873aosa87t.fsf@uwakimon.sk.tsukuba.ac.jp> NNTP-Posting-Host: lo.gmane.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Trace: ger.gmane.org 1210280204 3393 80.91.229.12 (8 May 2008 20:56:44 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@ger.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Thu, 8 May 2008 20:56:44 +0000 (UTC) Cc: lekktu@gmail.com, emacs-devel@gnu.org, Stefan Monnier , Eli Zaretskii , Jason Rumney , Miles Bader To: "Stephen J. Turnbull" Original-X-From: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Thu May 08 22:57:19 2008 Return-path: Envelope-to: ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([199.232.76.165]) by lo.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.50) id 1JuDAp-0000nt-40 for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Thu, 08 May 2008 22:57:07 +0200 Original-Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:39528 helo=lists.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1JuDA6-00074L-Qt for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Thu, 08 May 2008 16:56:22 -0400 Original-Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1JuDA2-00074G-1G for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Thu, 08 May 2008 16:56:18 -0400 Original-Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1JuD9z-000744-If for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Thu, 08 May 2008 16:56:16 -0400 Original-Received: from [199.232.76.173] (port=57526 helo=monty-python.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1JuD9z-000741-DM for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Thu, 08 May 2008 16:56:15 -0400 Original-Received: from mail-in-06.arcor-online.net ([151.189.21.46]:46712) by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS-1.0:DHE_RSA_AES_256_CBC_SHA1:32) (Exim 4.60) (envelope-from ) id 1JuD9n-0004lg-OO; Thu, 08 May 2008 16:56:04 -0400 Original-Received: from mail-in-01-z2.arcor-online.net (mail-in-01-z2.arcor-online.net [151.189.8.13]) by mail-in-06.arcor-online.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id C6E1D31E933; Thu, 8 May 2008 22:56:01 +0200 (CEST) Original-Received: from mail-in-09.arcor-online.net (mail-in-09.arcor-online.net [151.189.21.49]) by mail-in-01-z2.arcor-online.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id E2F302BF7CB; Thu, 8 May 2008 22:55:52 +0200 (CEST) Original-Received: from lola.goethe.zz (dslb-084-061-021-250.pools.arcor-ip.net [84.61.21.250]) by mail-in-09.arcor-online.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6AD5D3425F0; Thu, 8 May 2008 22:56:01 +0200 (CEST) Original-Received: by lola.goethe.zz (Postfix, from userid 1002) id 41DC21C4F903; Thu, 8 May 2008 22:56:01 +0200 (CEST) In-Reply-To: <873aosa87t.fsf@uwakimon.sk.tsukuba.ac.jp> (Stephen J. Turnbull's message of "Fri, 09 May 2008 04:47:50 +0900") User-Agent: Gnus/5.13 (Gnus v5.13) Emacs/23.0.60 (gnu/linux) X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.92.1/7064/Thu May 8 14:36:43 2008 on mail-in-09.arcor-online.net X-Virus-Status: Clean X-detected-kernel: by monty-python.gnu.org: Linux 2.4-2.6 X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Original-Sender: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.devel:96817 Archived-At: "Stephen J. Turnbull" writes: > David Kastrup writes: > > > Anyway, until Emacs is mapped, startup messages could appear on stderr. > > That is no help when started without a terminal, but would be reasonable > > in many cases, including Emacs in a tty. > > FWIW, XEmacs users complain a lot about startup messages on stderr in > the rare cases they appear. I'd propose hitting them with a clue stick, but of course that's strenuous. So thanks for that data point. It would appear the pseudo-splash screen with a single-line message area in a fixed small font would be the safest best till now. And stderr for ttys, I guess. -- David Kastrup, Kriemhildstr. 15, 44793 Bochum