From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: David Kastrup Newsgroups: gmane.comp.gcc.fortran,gmane.emacs.devel Subject: Re: Emacs and GFortran Date: Thu, 02 Nov 2006 21:32:49 +0100 Message-ID: <85u01h37ym.fsf@lola.goethe.zz> References: <200611011037.12356.wt@atmos.colostate.edu> <20061101180354.GA62686@troutmask.apl.washington.edu> <20061101203931.E775C4401A@Psilocybe.Update.UU.SE> <20061101213056.GA63890@troutmask.apl.washington.edu> <20061101215142.51A0944013@Psilocybe.Update.UU.SE> <20061101223548.GA72295@troutmask.apl.washington.edu> <20061101224912.ED10144013@Psilocybe.Update.UU.SE> <20061101232634.GA44475@troutmask.apl.washington.edu> <20061102132624.0D3E74400B@Psilocybe.Update.UU.SE> <20061102190005.GA6116@meiner.onlinehome.de> NNTP-Posting-Host: main.gmane.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Trace: sea.gmane.org 1162548438 28370 80.91.229.2 (3 Nov 2006 10:07:18 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@sea.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Fri, 3 Nov 2006 10:07:18 +0000 (UTC) Cc: Thomas Koenig , ams@gnu.org, sgk@troutmask.apl.washington.edu, wt@atmos.colostate.edu, fortran@gcc.gnu.org, emacs-devel@gnu.org Original-X-From: fortran-return-15441-gcgf-fortran=m.gmane.org@gcc.gnu.org Fri Nov 03 11:07:14 2006 Return-path: Envelope-to: gcgf-fortran@gmane.org Original-Received: from sourceware.org ([209.132.176.174]) by ciao.gmane.org with smtp (Exim 4.43) id 1Gfvwv-0004ra-Ki for gcgf-fortran@gmane.org; Fri, 03 Nov 2006 11:07:01 +0100 Original-Received: (qmail 25589 invoked by alias); 3 Nov 2006 10:06:55 -0000 Original-Received: (qmail 25570 invoked by uid 22791); 3 Nov 2006 10:06:55 -0000 X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-0.7 required=5.0 tests=AWL,BAYES_50,DATE_IN_PAST_12_24,SPF_PASS X-Spam-Check-By: sourceware.org Original-Received: from fencepost.gnu.org (HELO fencepost.gnu.org) (199.232.76.164) by sourceware.org (qpsmtpd/0.31) with ESMTP; Fri, 03 Nov 2006 10:06:51 +0000 Original-Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1] helo=lola.goethe.zz) by fencepost.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.34) id 1Gfvwm-00039r-7N; Fri, 03 Nov 2006 05:06:48 -0500 Original-Received: by lola.goethe.zz (Postfix, from userid 1002) id 5C5CB1C460D6; Thu, 2 Nov 2006 21:32:49 +0100 (CET) Original-To: Eli Zaretskii In-Reply-To: (Eli Zaretskii's message of "Thu\, 02 Nov 2006 22\:22\:22 +0200") User-Agent: Gnus/5.11 (Gnus v5.11) Emacs/22.0.50 (gnu/linux) Mailing-List: contact fortran-help@gcc.gnu.org; run by ezmlm Precedence: bulk List-Unsubscribe: List-Subscribe: List-Post: List-Help: , Original-Sender: fortran-owner@gcc.gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.comp.gcc.fortran:15412 gmane.emacs.devel:61680 Archived-At: Eli Zaretskii writes: > If I were Alfred, I'd hesitate to submit a patch, given the attitude > of several GFortranners. That attitude is so hostile that I'd > suggest to talk to the steering committee about it. There would be more substance to talk about if he submitted a patch to the proper channels first. Mailing lists do not rarely exhibit bouts of incivility. People are human, and free time developers don't necessarily react enthused if work gets dumped at their doors. It is not like we don't see some passionate arguments on the Emacs developer list at times, too. So I'd really recommend to Alfred passing over the momentary heat of discussion on the list, and entering a proper report at the bug reporting data base, filling in as much material as he feels he can provide with reasonable effort. When this does not lead to results, there is still enough time to try getting others involved in a solution. And it gives third parties a chance to give an outstanding problem report a shot, without themselves being participants in the mailing list discussion. So there is more of a chance that the problem will get worked on by somebody without the need for a preceding shouting match. -- David Kastrup, Kriemhildstr. 15, 44793 Bochum