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From: David Kastrup <dak@gnu.org>
Cc: martin rudalics <rudalics@gmx.at>,
	Chong Yidong <cyd@stupidchicken.com>,
	Richard Stallman <rms@gnu.org>,
	Stefan Monnier <monnier@iro.umontreal.ca>,
	emacs-devel@gnu.org
Subject: Re: Mysterious fontification/C++ context issue -	Patch	for	beginning-of-defun-raw.
Date: Sun, 17 Dec 2006 13:51:25 +0100	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <85tzzufzxu.fsf@lola.goethe.zz> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20061217133651.GD2643@muc.de> (Alan Mackenzie's message of "17 Dec 2006 13\:26\:01 +0100\, Sun\, 17 Dec 2006 13\:36\:51 +0000")

Alan Mackenzie <acm@muc.de> writes:

> Hi, Mr. Kastrup,
>
> On Sun, Dec 17, 2006 at 01:14:50PM +0100, David Kastrup wrote:
>> Alan Mackenzie <acm@muc.de> writes:
>
>> > The existence (up until a few days ago) of the open paren in C0 in
>> > syntax.c, of course.
>
>> > If these things slip unnoticed past Emacs hackers for years, what hope
>> > is there for ordinary programmers?
>
> [ .... ]

Explanation conveniently snipped.

>> What you call "evidence" is, in my book, a very flimsy excuse for
>> the same.
>
> OK, I admit it.  I swallowd the bait, allowed myself to be set up as a
> straw man, and now you've knocked me down.  Are you happy now?

Ad hominem attacks don't make for a reasonable argument, either.  I'd
be happier if you did not feel the necessity to dilute your point with
hyperbole all the time.  It is tiresome to have to pick out the actual
facts and arguments from all that partly flippant verbiage that
carries across the notion that whoever disagrees with your assessment
must be wrong to start with.

You are trying to argue for a last-minute change far into the pretest,
one that has caused problems for people and does not seem easy to get
correct.  So we need really compelling reasons, and I have not seen
them, even though you act as if anybody with half a brain should
immediately recognize them.

I am all for good font-locking and movement commands, but one needs to
keep the associated cost in speed, stability, and release impact in
perspective and balance with the expected problems.  It is something
which I am trying to do in a manner I feel appropriate for a
conscientious developer.  I don't think that my different assessment
should single me out as a target for personal enmity.

-- 
David Kastrup, Kriemhildstr. 15, 44793 Bochum

  reply	other threads:[~2006-12-17 12:51 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 120+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
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     [not found] ` <45741FBE.3000107@swipnet.se>
     [not found]   ` <45742464.1090504@gmx.at>
2006-12-04 21:17     ` Mysterious fontification/C++ context issue Alan Mackenzie
2006-12-06  0:47       ` Richard Stallman
2006-12-06  9:04       ` martin rudalics
2006-12-06 12:22         ` Kim F. Storm
2006-12-06 16:31           ` Chong Yidong
2006-12-07  4:59             ` Richard Stallman
2006-12-09 17:46               ` Chong Yidong
2006-12-09 20:09                 ` Stefan Monnier
2006-12-11  1:05                   ` Richard Stallman
2006-12-11  2:27                     ` Stefan Monnier
2006-12-11  4:38                     ` Stefan Monnier
2006-12-12 16:24                       ` Chong Yidong
2006-12-12 17:10                         ` Stefan Monnier
2006-12-10  4:24                 ` Richard Stallman
2006-12-10  0:35               ` Alan Mackenzie
2006-12-10  1:11                 ` Chong Yidong
2006-12-10  9:12                   ` Alan Mackenzie
2006-12-10 12:46                     ` David Kastrup
2006-12-10 14:50                       ` Alan Mackenzie
2006-12-10 15:13                         ` David Kastrup
2006-12-10 20:30                     ` Chong Yidong
2006-12-13 21:29                       ` Mysterious fontification/C++ context issue - Patch for beginning-of-defun-raw Alan Mackenzie
2006-12-14  1:02                         ` Chong Yidong
2006-12-14  7:36                           ` Alan Mackenzie
2006-12-14 10:47                             ` martin rudalics
2006-12-14 18:26                               ` Alan Mackenzie
2006-12-14 18:53                                 ` David Kastrup
2006-12-14 20:21                                 ` Chong Yidong
2006-12-14 20:35                                 ` Chong Yidong
2006-12-14 22:18                                   ` Alan Mackenzie
2006-12-14 22:51                                     ` Chong Yidong
2006-12-15  0:53                                     ` David Kastrup
2006-12-15 10:35                                     ` Johan Bockgård
2006-12-14 21:53                                 ` What `opic0ids' really is [was: Mysterious fontification/C++ context issue - Patch for beginning-of-defun-raw.] Stuart D. Herring
2006-12-15  7:32                                 ` Mysterious fontification/C++ context issue - Patch for beginning-of-defun-raw martin rudalics
2006-12-15 19:22                                   ` Alan Mackenzie
2006-12-15 22:20                                     ` David Kastrup
2006-12-16 10:17                                     ` martin rudalics
2006-12-17 11:44                                       ` Alan Mackenzie
2006-12-17 12:02                                         ` David Kastrup
2006-12-17 12:08                                           ` Alan Mackenzie
2006-12-17 12:14                                             ` David Kastrup
2006-12-17 12:26                                               ` Alan Mackenzie
2006-12-17 12:51                                                 ` David Kastrup [this message]
2006-12-17 17:28                                         ` martin rudalics
2006-12-17 18:36                                         ` Mysterious fontification/C++ context issue - Patch for c-basic-common-init Alan Mackenzie
2006-12-17 18:45                                           ` Chong Yidong
2006-12-17 22:18                                             ` Alan Mackenzie
2006-12-17 22:59                                               ` Chong Yidong
2006-12-18  0:06                                         ` Mysterious fontification/C++ context issue - Patch for beginning-of-defun-raw Stefan Monnier
2006-12-15 23:24                               ` Stefan Monnier
2006-12-16 10:17                                 ` martin rudalics
2006-12-16 18:14                                   ` Chong Yidong
2006-12-16 18:27                                   ` martin rudalics
2006-12-16 19:00                                     ` martin rudalics
2006-12-16 19:33                                       ` Chong Yidong
2006-12-16 19:59                                         ` martin rudalics
2006-12-16 20:10                                           ` Chong Yidong
2006-12-16 21:26                                             ` Chong Yidong
2006-12-16 22:43                                               ` martin rudalics
2006-12-16 23:30                                               ` Stefan Monnier
2006-12-16 23:40                                                 ` martin rudalics
2006-12-17  0:04                                                   ` Stefan Monnier
2006-12-17  4:02                                                     ` Chong Yidong
2006-12-17 10:32                                                       ` martin rudalics
2006-12-17 10:26                                                     ` martin rudalics
2006-12-17 10:59                                                       ` David Kastrup
2006-12-17 23:23                                                       ` Stefan Monnier
2006-12-17 11:10                                                     ` Alan Mackenzie
2006-12-17 12:01                                                       ` David Kastrup
2006-12-18  0:04                                                       ` Stefan Monnier
2006-12-16 22:11                                             ` martin rudalics
2006-12-16 23:29                                           ` Stefan Monnier
2006-12-16 23:37                                             ` martin rudalics
2006-12-16 20:22                                         ` David Kastrup
2006-12-16 22:21                                           ` martin rudalics
2006-12-14 17:29                             ` Chong Yidong
2006-12-14 18:56                               ` David Kastrup
2006-12-14 22:57                               ` Alan Mackenzie
2006-12-15 22:56                           ` Stefan Monnier
2006-12-15 23:03                             ` David Kastrup
2006-12-14 10:45                         ` martin rudalics
2006-12-14 18:29                           ` Alan Mackenzie
2006-12-15 22:49                         ` Stefan Monnier
2006-12-10 21:39                     ` Mysterious fontification/C++ context issue Stefan Monnier
2006-12-10 23:14                       ` Kim F. Storm
2006-12-14  7:43                       ` Alan Mackenzie
2006-12-14  7:51                         ` Miles Bader
2006-12-15 23:36                         ` Stefan Monnier
2006-12-10  9:18                   ` martin rudalics
2006-12-11  1:23                     ` Stefan Monnier
2006-12-11  7:23                       ` martin rudalics
2006-12-11  7:36                         ` Stefan Monnier
2006-12-11  8:32                           ` martin rudalics
2006-12-11 16:30                             ` Stefan Monnier
2006-12-11  1:05                 ` Stefan Monnier
2006-12-11  1:06                 ` Richard Stallman
2006-12-06 18:44         ` Richard Stallman
2006-12-06 22:38           ` martin rudalics
2006-12-08  5:05             ` Richard Stallman
2006-12-09  9:42               ` martin rudalics
2006-12-10  4:24                 ` Richard Stallman
2006-12-10  8:38                   ` martin rudalics
2006-12-10 10:56                   ` Alan Mackenzie
2006-12-10 11:58                     ` martin rudalics
2006-12-10 14:30                       ` Slawomir Nowaczyk
2006-12-11  1:29                     ` Stefan Monnier
2006-12-06 20:52         ` Alan Mackenzie
2006-12-06 22:38           ` martin rudalics
2006-12-07  5:07           ` Stefan Monnier
2006-12-15  5:03 Mysterious fontification/C++ context issue - Patch for beginning-of-defun-raw Richard Stallman
2006-12-15  6:31 ` Sean O'Rourke
2006-12-15 16:08   ` Chong Yidong
2006-12-15 16:16     ` Sean O'Rourke
2006-12-15 16:44       ` Chong Yidong
2006-12-15 20:46         ` Stuart D. Herring
2006-12-15 21:24   ` Richard Stallman
2006-12-15 22:31     ` Sean O'Rourke
2006-12-15 16:57 ` Chong Yidong
2006-12-15 23:33 ` Stefan Monnier

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