From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: David Kastrup Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: Re: Initial splash screen Date: Fri, 22 Jun 2007 22:09:29 +0200 Message-ID: <85tzszda4m.fsf@lola.goethe.zz> References: <4679F561.4030600@hacksaw.org> <87d4zomyiw.fsf@red-bean.com> <87fy4kjy0k.fsf@red-bean.com> <467AF6CC.2000300@gnu.org> <86ejk4jtno.fsf@lola.quinscape.zz> <87ir9g70eo.fsf_-_@escher.local.home> <86ir9gi5a2.fsf@lola.quinscape.zz> <87645g6ph5.fsf@escher.local.home> NNTP-Posting-Host: lo.gmane.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Trace: sea.gmane.org 1182542982 30476 80.91.229.12 (22 Jun 2007 20:09:42 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@sea.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Fri, 22 Jun 2007 20:09:42 +0000 (UTC) Cc: emacs-devel@gnu.org To: Stephen Berman Original-X-From: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Fri Jun 22 22:09:40 2007 Return-path: Envelope-to: ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([199.232.76.165]) by lo.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.50) id 1I1pRs-00047D-6T for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Fri, 22 Jun 2007 22:09:40 +0200 Original-Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1] helo=lists.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1I1pRr-0003Gc-HO for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Fri, 22 Jun 2007 16:09:39 -0400 Original-Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1I1pRn-0003GN-LJ for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Fri, 22 Jun 2007 16:09:35 -0400 Original-Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1I1pRk-0003Fc-Hh for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Fri, 22 Jun 2007 16:09:34 -0400 Original-Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1I1pRk-0003FZ-FG for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Fri, 22 Jun 2007 16:09:32 -0400 Original-Received: from mail-in-02.arcor-online.net ([151.189.21.42]) by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS-1.0:DHE_RSA_AES_256_CBC_SHA1:32) (Exim 4.60) (envelope-from ) id 1I1pRj-0002fC-PF for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Fri, 22 Jun 2007 16:09:32 -0400 Original-Received: from mail-in-01-z2.arcor-online.net (mail-in-05-z2.arcor-online.net [151.189.8.17]) by mail-in-02.arcor-online.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 485EC28003; Fri, 22 Jun 2007 22:09:30 +0200 (CEST) Original-Received: from mail-in-05.arcor-online.net (mail-in-05.arcor-online.net [151.189.21.45]) by mail-in-01-z2.arcor-online.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 387A22DA969; Fri, 22 Jun 2007 22:09:30 +0200 (CEST) Original-Received: from lola.goethe.zz (dslb-084-061-100-087.pools.arcor-ip.net [84.61.100.87]) by mail-in-05.arcor-online.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id F26A61CB71D; Fri, 22 Jun 2007 22:09:29 +0200 (CEST) Original-Received: by lola.goethe.zz (Postfix, from userid 1002) id 699311D0340C; Fri, 22 Jun 2007 22:09:29 +0200 (CEST) In-Reply-To: <87645g6ph5.fsf@escher.local.home> (Stephen Berman's message of "Fri\, 22 Jun 2007 16\:19\:50 +0200") User-Agent: Gnus/5.11 (Gnus v5.11) Emacs/22.1.50 (gnu/linux) X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.90.3/3493/Fri Jun 22 11:18:44 2007 on mail-in-05.arcor-online.net X-Virus-Status: Clean X-detected-kernel: Linux 2.4-2.6 X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Original-Sender: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.devel:73654 Archived-At: Stephen Berman writes: > On Fri, 22 Jun 2007 13:43:01 +0200 David Kastrup wrote: > >> and starting Emacs without a filename gives >> us a frame where nothing useful can be displayed yet. > > Well, that's what being debated in the thread I forked off of; many > people do find an initial *scratch* buffer useful. The initial *scratch* buffer is useful for _writing_ (which will obliterate the splash screen just fine). An initial _file_ buffer in contrast, is supposed to be useful for _reading_, and one can't start reading as long as the splash screen is blocking the reading. >> So there is no point in not showing the splash screen indefinitely >> if we are called without file name. > > If by `indefinitely' you mean upon every invocation, again, the > point is the same as the reason for having inhibit-splash-screen, > whose effect is not constrained to starting Emacs with a file name. Which is a mistake in my book: people have reported the habit of just starting another Emacs without file name if they find themselves in want of reading up on the splash screen. Having inhibit-splash-screen not able to discriminate between the with-file and without-file invocation takes away this expedience. >> But _with_ a file name, the situation is different, and we should >> cater for it differently. > > I don't see such a difference: the information in the splash screen > should be learned even if a user always starts Emacs with a file > name (and once the information is learned, the splash screen need > not appear any more, even if you start Emacs without a file name). You are assuming a perfect memory. -- David Kastrup, Kriemhildstr. 15, 44793 Bochum