From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: David Kastrup Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: Re: delete-selection-mode Date: Mon, 21 Apr 2008 22:07:27 +0200 Message-ID: <85tzhvvuo0.fsf@lola.goethe.zz> References: <004a01c8a1a0$7215cdd0$0200a8c0@us.oracle.com> <87hcdxz9zr.fsf_-_@jurta.org> <87ve2cfk9x.fsf@stupidchicken.com> <200804201931.m3KJVO4X008875@sallyv1.ics.uci.edu> <858wz8ux2w.fsf@lola.goethe.zz> <480BA779.2080507@gmail.com> <853apguv0s.fsf@lola.goethe.zz> <480BAD5C.4090204@gmail.com> <85prskte96.fsf@lola.goethe.zz> <480BB8C0.4020303@gmail.com> <85abjnu5ss.fsf@lola.goethe.zz> <480C31B9.6060900@gmail.com> <480CC3AD.1050403@gmail.com> <85mynnxhuh.fsf@lola.goethe.zz> <480CD2D1.1020003@gmail.com> <878wz7xdgb.fsf@gmail.com> <85bq43xcq9.fsf@lola.goethe.zz> <480CF177.7080904@gnu.org> NNTP-Posting-Host: lo.gmane.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Trace: ger.gmane.org 1208808578 28885 80.91.229.12 (21 Apr 2008 20:09:38 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@ger.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Mon, 21 Apr 2008 20:09:38 +0000 (UTC) Cc: rms@gnu.org, cyd@stupidchicken.com, "Lennart Borgman \(gmail\)" , emacs-devel@gnu.org, juri@jurta.org, ams@gnu.org, dann@ics.uci.edu, monnier@iro.umontreal.ca, Paul R , drew.adams@oracle.com To: Jason Rumney Original-X-From: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Mon Apr 21 22:10:11 2008 connect(): Connection refused Return-path: Envelope-to: ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([199.232.76.165]) by lo.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.50) id 1Jo2Kp-0003y0-Hh for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Mon, 21 Apr 2008 22:10:08 +0200 Original-Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1] helo=lists.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1Jo2K6-00071v-Hv for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Mon, 21 Apr 2008 16:09:10 -0400 Original-Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1Jo2Jo-0006uH-R3 for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Mon, 21 Apr 2008 16:08:52 -0400 Original-Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1Jo2Ji-0006rm-36 for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Mon, 21 Apr 2008 16:08:52 -0400 Original-Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1Jo2Jh-0006rg-U6 for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Mon, 21 Apr 2008 16:08:45 -0400 Original-Received: from mail-in-09.arcor-online.net ([151.189.21.49]) by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS-1.0:DHE_RSA_AES_256_CBC_SHA1:32) (Exim 4.60) (envelope-from ) id 1Jo2Is-0007Qb-FO; Mon, 21 Apr 2008 16:07:59 -0400 Original-Received: from mail-in-09-z2.arcor-online.net (mail-in-09-z2.arcor-online.net [151.189.8.21]) by mail-in-09.arcor-online.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9BF40302832; Mon, 21 Apr 2008 22:07:38 +0200 (CEST) Original-Received: from mail-in-02.arcor-online.net (mail-in-02.arcor-online.net [151.189.21.42]) by mail-in-09-z2.arcor-online.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 87E1728EF9C; Mon, 21 Apr 2008 22:07:38 +0200 (CEST) Original-Received: from lola.goethe.zz (dslb-084-061-038-079.pools.arcor-ip.net [84.61.38.79]) by mail-in-02.arcor-online.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id D117236E86F; Mon, 21 Apr 2008 22:07:32 +0200 (CEST) Original-Received: by lola.goethe.zz (Postfix, from userid 1002) id 7C8D51C3C7BC; Mon, 21 Apr 2008 22:07:28 +0200 (CEST) In-Reply-To: <480CF177.7080904@gnu.org> (Jason Rumney's message of "Mon, 21 Apr 2008 20:56:39 +0100") User-Agent: Gnus/5.13 (Gnus v5.13) Emacs/23.0.60 (gnu/linux) X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.92.1/6865/Mon Apr 21 17:43:29 2008 on mail-in-02.arcor-online.net X-Virus-Status: Clean X-detected-kernel: by monty-python.gnu.org: Linux 2.4-2.6 X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Original-Sender: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.devel:95697 Archived-At: Jason Rumney writes: > David Kastrup wrote: >> Expectations should never take precedence when they are connected with >> an inferior way to accomplish things. > > Is that really an objective point of view? Strawman. It is not a point of view at all. It is a design principle. And where "inferior" means "with a lot more hassle" or "self-inconsistent", I consider this an eminently prudent principle. > To me it looks like arrogance, and if I were a prospective new user of > Emacs encountering it, I might be inclined to look elsewhere. An program can not be arrogant, and whether or not you want to call my discourse on emacs-devel an exhibition of arrogance does not concern prospective new users. -- David Kastrup, Kriemhildstr. 15, 44793 Bochum