From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: David Kastrup Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: Re: Emacs vista build failures Date: Mon, 14 Jul 2008 00:53:55 +0200 Message-ID: <85tzetief0.fsf@lola.goethe.zz> References: <36366a980807101702r5677d096g8e62ef5b3e278868@mail.gmail.com> <4eb0089f0807111217m66d6cf4el777c197c107ce034@mail.gmail.com> <87skug6tq5.fsf@catnip.gol.com> <4eb0089f0807111345h13eccdds9b2cf43370b94074@mail.gmail.com> <4eb0089f0807121340x5e26f6dbve03ef50b238f3a3a@mail.gmail.com> <87k5fph5rh.fsf@stupidchicken.com> <20080713214648.GB1076@muc.de> <20080713225327.GC1076@muc.de> NNTP-Posting-Host: lo.gmane.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Trace: ger.gmane.org 1215989661 1707 80.91.229.12 (13 Jul 2008 22:54:21 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@ger.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Sun, 13 Jul 2008 22:54:21 +0000 (UTC) Cc: "Alfred M. Szmidt" , drobinow@gmail.com, cyd@stupidchicken.com, rms@gnu.org, emacs-devel@gnu.org To: Alan Mackenzie Original-X-From: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Mon Jul 14 00:55:07 2008 Return-path: Envelope-to: ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([199.232.76.165]) by lo.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.50) id 1KIATA-0006ka-Ta for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Mon, 14 Jul 2008 00:55:05 +0200 Original-Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:49381 helo=lists.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1KIASJ-0001wa-1x for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Sun, 13 Jul 2008 18:54:11 -0400 Original-Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1KIASE-0001wV-Vu for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Sun, 13 Jul 2008 18:54:07 -0400 Original-Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1KIASD-0001wJ-O6 for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Sun, 13 Jul 2008 18:54:06 -0400 Original-Received: from [199.232.76.173] (port=57832 helo=monty-python.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1KIASD-0001wG-KO for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Sun, 13 Jul 2008 18:54:05 -0400 Original-Received: from mail-in-04.arcor-online.net ([151.189.21.44]:59560) by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS-1.0:DHE_RSA_AES_256_CBC_SHA1:32) (Exim 4.60) (envelope-from ) id 1KIAS6-0001vr-9v; Sun, 13 Jul 2008 18:53:58 -0400 Original-Received: from mail-in-11-z2.arcor-online.net (mail-in-11-z2.arcor-online.net [151.189.8.28]) by mail-in-04.arcor-online.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id A659F17F442; Mon, 14 Jul 2008 00:53:56 +0200 (CEST) Original-Received: from mail-in-17.arcor-online.net (mail-in-17.arcor-online.net [151.189.21.57]) by mail-in-11-z2.arcor-online.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 912FE3465B0; Mon, 14 Jul 2008 00:53:56 +0200 (CEST) Original-Received: from lola.goethe.zz (dslb-084-061-034-089.pools.arcor-ip.net [84.61.34.89]) by mail-in-17.arcor-online.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4ED902BCAA7; Mon, 14 Jul 2008 00:53:56 +0200 (CEST) Original-Received: by lola.goethe.zz (Postfix, from userid 1002) id 84A181CFAEF1; Mon, 14 Jul 2008 00:53:55 +0200 (CEST) In-Reply-To: <20080713225327.GC1076@muc.de> (Alan Mackenzie's message of "Sun, 13 Jul 2008 22:53:27 +0000") User-Agent: Gnus/5.13 (Gnus v5.13) Emacs/23.0.60 (gnu/linux) X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.93.3/7705/Sun Jul 13 22:57:18 2008 on mail-in-17.arcor-online.net X-Virus-Status: Clean X-detected-kernel: by monty-python.gnu.org: Linux 2.4-2.6 X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Original-Sender: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.devel:100656 Archived-At: Alan Mackenzie writes: > Well, I've described what it took me. Maybe Debian Sarge was > particularly troublesome. Yes. > I challenge you to write a recipe, suitable for a newbie without an > internet connection, how to get a GNU/Linux system connected to the > internet, on the assumption that any magic spells supplied by the > distribution have failed. Point out where he can find the necessary > info, and how he could discover that that is where he has to look. Alfred talked about gNewSense (or whatever it is spelled), an Ubuntu derivative. Basically this boils down to clicking the obvious icons or possibly menu points in the obvious places and specifying the obvious information. _IF_ things don't work right away anyway. The exception may be WLAN which might not work without non-free components (and gNewSense does not include them). If that sounds hopelessly optimistic, just try it. I certainly have had my share of having configured Unix systems for networking, even before Linux existed. Things really have become quite convenient to a point where one does not ever need a text editor for getting things to run, unless things are really utterly unexpectedly broken. Most popular Linux distributions nowadays are in that ballpark, with the notable exceptions of Debian proper and Slackware. -- David Kastrup, Kriemhildstr. 15, 44793 Bochum