From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Stephen Leake Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: Re: Bundling GNU ELPA packages Date: Sat, 08 Nov 2014 13:57:05 -0600 Message-ID: <85tx294ga6.fsf@stephe-leake.org> References: <878ujowbnh.fsf@thinkpad-t440p.tsdh.org> <85iois5cz3.fsf@stephe-leake.org> <87tx2c9i3e.fsf@engster.org> NNTP-Posting-Host: plane.gmane.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain X-Trace: ger.gmane.org 1415476660 3209 80.91.229.3 (8 Nov 2014 19:57:40 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@ger.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Sat, 8 Nov 2014 19:57:40 +0000 (UTC) To: emacs-devel@gnu.org Original-X-From: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Sat Nov 08 20:57:33 2014 Return-path: Envelope-to: ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([208.118.235.17]) by plane.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1XnC8b-0001BF-98 for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Sat, 08 Nov 2014 20:57:33 +0100 Original-Received: from localhost ([::1]:36724 helo=lists.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1XnC8b-0007Hj-0a for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Sat, 08 Nov 2014 14:57:33 -0500 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:4830:134:3::10]:55145) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1XnC8J-0007Gm-Mt for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Sat, 08 Nov 2014 14:57:20 -0500 Original-Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1XnC8E-0008KN-F2 for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Sat, 08 Nov 2014 14:57:15 -0500 Original-Received: from dnvrco-outbound-snat.email.rr.com ([107.14.73.228]:7784 helo=dnvrco-oedge-vip.email.rr.com) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1XnC8E-0008Jw-9m for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Sat, 08 Nov 2014 14:57:10 -0500 Original-Received: from [70.94.38.149] ([70.94.38.149:52026] helo=TAKVER) by dnvrco-oedge01 (envelope-from ) (ecelerity 3.5.0.35861 r(Momo-dev:tip)) with ESMTP id 7D/4B-12926-2957E545; Sat, 08 Nov 2014 19:57:07 +0000 In-Reply-To: <87tx2c9i3e.fsf@engster.org> (David Engster's message of "Thu, 06 Nov 2014 21:42:13 +0100") User-Agent: Gnus/5.13 (Gnus v5.13) Emacs/24.3.94 (windows-nt) X-RR-Connecting-IP: 107.14.64.118:25 X-Authority-Analysis: v=2.1 cv=Ybsz5mhf c=1 sm=1 tr=0 a=AppmJ/7ZOOFWL/q6u6u93g==:117 a=AppmJ/7ZOOFWL/q6u6u93g==:17 a=ayC55rCoAAAA:8 a=fNEgcOh0sVsA:10 a=9i_RQKNPAAAA:8 a=3J2Obj5IPCXpJSVLsB0A:9 X-Cloudmark-Score: 0 X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: Genre and OS details not recognized. X-Received-From: 107.14.73.228 X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.devel:176585 Archived-At: David Engster writes: > Stephen Leake writes: >> Stefan Monnier writes: >> >>>>> In Emacs-25.1, I'd like to start bundling some GNU ELPA packages into >>>>> Emacs. >>>> Now I'm curious. What's the purpose of having a package system and then >>>> bundling packages? >>> >>> I'm sure the XEmacs guys could tell you ;-) >>> >>> Having a package in ELPA means that it can be updated independently >>> from Emacs. >>> >>> Having packages in elpa.git instead of emacs.git makes their release >>> schedules independent. >>> >>> Having bundled packages in both emacs.git and in elpa.git means >>> 2 branches to keep in sync. >> >> This says why we should have ELPA, and packages either in elpa.git or >> emacs.git but not both. >> >> The question was why we should then bundle some packages from ELPA in >> the release tarball. > > Because users expect that Emacs ships with Org, Gnus and CEDET by > default. Perhaps it's time to change that expectation. For example, I don't use Org or CEDET. So your "users" is leaving out at least me :). Debian and Ubuntu must have similar issues about what to include in their "standard installers"; anyone know enough about that to contribute? -- -- Stephe