From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: David Kastrup Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: Re: unhelpful menu keybinding notes Date: Mon, 17 Apr 2006 10:46:55 +0200 Message-ID: <85slocpp1c.fsf@lola.goethe.zz> References: <44434FAC.30707@student.lu.se> NNTP-Posting-Host: main.gmane.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Trace: sea.gmane.org 1145273776 20940 80.91.229.2 (17 Apr 2006 11:36:16 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@sea.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Mon, 17 Apr 2006 11:36:16 +0000 (UTC) Cc: Lennart Borgman , miles@gnu.org, emacs-devel@gnu.org Original-X-From: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Mon Apr 17 13:36:14 2006 Return-path: Envelope-to: ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([199.232.76.165]) by ciao.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1FVS1U-0006Q4-7D for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Mon, 17 Apr 2006 13:36:04 +0200 Original-Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1] helo=lists.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1FVS1T-0004DW-Jt for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Mon, 17 Apr 2006 07:36:03 -0400 Original-Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1FVS1D-0004Cl-Iq for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Mon, 17 Apr 2006 07:35:47 -0400 Original-Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1FVS1C-0004BG-Ct for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Mon, 17 Apr 2006 07:35:47 -0400 Original-Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1FVS1B-0004Ae-P6 for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Mon, 17 Apr 2006 07:35:45 -0400 Original-Received: from [199.232.76.164] (helo=fencepost.gnu.org) by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.52) id 1FVS1p-0003S9-IX for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Mon, 17 Apr 2006 07:36:25 -0400 Original-Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1] helo=lola.goethe.zz) by fencepost.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.34) id 1FVS1A-0004fe-8q; Mon, 17 Apr 2006 07:35:44 -0400 Original-Received: by lola.goethe.zz (Postfix, from userid 1002) id 0F4021C3DB5D; Mon, 17 Apr 2006 10:46:55 +0200 (CEST) Original-To: Eli Zaretskii In-Reply-To: (Eli Zaretskii's message of "Mon, 17 Apr 2006 11:41:20 +0300") User-Agent: Gnus/5.11 (Gnus v5.11) Emacs/22.0.50 (gnu/linux) X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Original-Sender: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.devel:52956 Archived-At: Eli Zaretskii writes: >> Date: Mon, 17 Apr 2006 10:19:56 +0200 >> From: Lennart Borgman >> CC: Miles Bader , emacs-devel@gnu.org >> >> > Also, please note that, at least by default on GUI displays, these >> > menu items don't invoke the same functions as C-w and M-w (because >> > x-win.el turns on menu-bar-enable-clipboard). >> > >> Would it help if they invoked the same functions? Could we not fix that? > > ??? They invoke different functions for a reason, please see the > source of the respective functions on menu-bar.el. In other words, > this is a deliberate feature. Are you suggesting to turn it off? I guess he'd rather use the same function which discriminates by some other means between the two uses. Alternatively, one could put explicit keyboard help strings into the menus (or have some property for that purpose on the function?). One might assume that the people with actual "", "", "" keys would still try using them without being prompted for them. -- David Kastrup, Kriemhildstr. 15, 44793 Bochum