From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Wolfgang Jenkner Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: Re: On language-dependent defaults for character-folding Date: Mon, 22 Feb 2016 16:58:36 +0100 Message-ID: <85si0kenvi.fsf@iznogoud.viz> References: <7fbb8bc7-9a97-4bad-a103-a6690a35241d@default> <834mdc5w6o.fsf@gnu.org> <838u2hu6aq.fsf@gnu.org> <871t899tde.fsf@gnus.org> <83y4ahru04.fsf@gnu.org> <83fuwproyf.fsf@gnu.org> <837fi0sz29.fsf@gnu.org> <83egc8qzjh.fsf@gnu.org> <87egc7evu3.fsf@gnus.org> <83io1jpt4u.fsf@gnu.org> <87povqhj25.fsf@gnus.org> <83povqm3dw.fsf@gnu.org> <83io1im0zq.fsf@gnu.org> NNTP-Posting-Host: plane.gmane.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Trace: ger.gmane.org 1456157135 3612 80.91.229.3 (22 Feb 2016 16:05:35 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@ger.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Mon, 22 Feb 2016 16:05:35 +0000 (UTC) Cc: larsi@gnus.org, Elias =?utf-8?Q?M=C3=A5rtenson?= , emacs-devel@gnu.org To: Eli Zaretskii Original-X-From: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Mon Feb 22 17:05:24 2016 Return-path: Envelope-to: ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([208.118.235.17]) by plane.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1aXszB-0005pY-KU for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Mon, 22 Feb 2016 17:05:21 +0100 Original-Received: from localhost ([::1]:49755 helo=lists.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1aXszA-0000S3-Th for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Mon, 22 Feb 2016 11:05:20 -0500 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:4830:134:3::10]:41008) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1aXsuo-00020S-7m for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Mon, 22 Feb 2016 11:00:55 -0500 Original-Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1aXsue-0001cj-VL for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Mon, 22 Feb 2016 11:00:50 -0500 Original-Received: from vie01a-dmta-at50-2.mx.upcmail.net ([62.179.121.137]:31375) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1aXsue-0001YV-GO for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Mon, 22 Feb 2016 11:00:40 -0500 Original-Received: from [172.31.216.41] (helo=vie01a-pemc-psmtp-at50) by vie01a-dmta-at50.mx.upcmail.net with esmtp (Exim 4.72) (envelope-from ) id 1aXsuY-0006q9-Uq for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Mon, 22 Feb 2016 17:00:34 +0100 Original-Received: from iznogoud.viz ([91.119.137.223]) by vie01a-pemc-psmtp-at50 with SMTP @ mailcloud.upcmail.net id MU0Z1s00V4pNdpF0BU0aCn; Mon, 22 Feb 2016 17:00:34 +0100 X-SourceIP: 91.119.137.223 X-CNFS-Analysis: v=2.1 cv=HobaYRnS c=1 sm=2 tr=0 a=B+ML/0u0QBnjoDhkzk2oXA==:117 a=B+ML/0u0QBnjoDhkzk2oXA==:17 a=L9H7d07YOLsA:10 a=9cW_t1CCXrUA:10 a=s5jvgZ67dGcA:10 a=IkcTkHD0fZMA:10 a=jFJIQSaiL_oA:10 a=pGLkceISAAAA:8 a=OocQHUDgAAAA:8 a=mDV3o1hIAAAA:8 a=te1EGT4yAAAA:8 a=Z5Y4ZxNWMhQp9rRh71gA:9 a=QEXdDO2ut3YA:10 Original-Received: from wolfgang by iznogoud.viz with local (Exim 4.86 (FreeBSD)) (envelope-from ) id 1aXsuX-0006Pc-HQ; Mon, 22 Feb 2016 17:00:33 +0100 Mail-Followup-To: Eli Zaretskii , Elias =?utf-8?Q?M=C3=A5rte?= =?utf-8?Q?nson?= , larsi@gnus.org, emacs-devel@gnu.org User-Agent: Gnus/5.130014 (Ma Gnus v0.14) Emacs/25.1.50 (berkeley-unix) X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: GNU/Linux 3.x [generic] X-Received-From: 62.179.121.137 X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.devel:200455 Archived-At: On Sun, Feb 21 2016, Eli Zaretskii wrote: >> Date: Mon, 22 Feb 2016 00:58:37 +0800 >> From: Elias M=C3=A5rtenson >> Cc: Lars Ingebrigtsen , emacs-devel >>=20 >> Now, other languages may use the character (in the Unicode sense) =C3=B6= as a variation of o. In other words, o >> with =C2=A8 on top of it. For users of such languages =C3=B6 is just a v= ariation of o as we also have discussed before. On >> the other hand, =C3=B8 is not used as a variation of o in any language t= hat I am aware of. > > I don't think this is correct. I think =C3=B6 is a letter on its own in > any language that uses it. Which is why I don't see how it is > different from =C3=B8. In German dictionary collation order there's only a secondary difference between o and =C3=B6 [1] &O<<=C3=B6<<<=C3=96 [1] http://unicode.org/repos/cldr/trunk/common/collation/de.xml