From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: David Kastrup Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: Re: Tooltips and menus Date: Tue, 23 May 2006 10:27:29 +0200 Message-ID: <85r72lywlq.fsf@lola.goethe.zz> References: <874pzjkuap.fsf@mit.edu> <8764jx8ras.fsf@stupidchicken.com> <4472BC6D.5060901@gnu.org> NNTP-Posting-Host: main.gmane.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Trace: sea.gmane.org 1148372969 4722 80.91.229.2 (23 May 2006 08:29:29 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@sea.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Tue, 23 May 2006 08:29:29 +0000 (UTC) Cc: Chong Yidong , rms@gnu.org, emacs-devel@gnu.org Original-X-From: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Tue May 23 10:29:25 2006 Return-path: Envelope-to: ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([199.232.76.165]) by ciao.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1FiSGW-0001At-Nm for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Tue, 23 May 2006 10:29:21 +0200 Original-Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1] helo=lists.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1FiSGW-00069K-7J for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Tue, 23 May 2006 04:29:20 -0400 Original-Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1FiSFK-0005RH-AE for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Tue, 23 May 2006 04:28:06 -0400 Original-Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1FiSFI-0005PT-64 for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Tue, 23 May 2006 04:28:04 -0400 Original-Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1FiSFG-0005OP-QB for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Tue, 23 May 2006 04:28:02 -0400 Original-Received: from [199.232.76.164] (helo=fencepost.gnu.org) by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.52) id 1FiSJR-00057B-Mm for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Tue, 23 May 2006 04:32:21 -0400 Original-Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1] helo=lola.goethe.zz) by fencepost.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.34) id 1FiSF8-0003GS-RM; Tue, 23 May 2006 04:27:55 -0400 Original-Received: by lola.goethe.zz (Postfix, from userid 1002) id AD6611C27933; Tue, 23 May 2006 10:27:29 +0200 (CEST) Original-To: Jason Rumney In-Reply-To: <4472BC6D.5060901@gnu.org> (Jason Rumney's message of "Tue, 23 May 2006 08:40:29 +0100") User-Agent: Gnus/5.11 (Gnus v5.11) Emacs/22.0.50 (gnu/linux) X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Original-Sender: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.devel:55109 Archived-At: Jason Rumney writes: > Chong Yidong wrote: >> If that's too radical a concept for people to swallow, another idea is >> to remove tooltips for menu entries that open up submenus. Tthat's >> what the Gnome menu does, and will probably solve the particular >> problem that Richard noticed. > > I agree. Tooltips only appear when the mouse stays over a menu > item. For normal menu items, this probably means the user is > hesitating and could do with some help. But for submenus, the user > might leave their mouse over the submenu entry while they scan > through the items in the submenu. In that case the tooltip gets in > the way. For what it's worth, I can agree here as well. Tooltips are detail information, and the submenu itself provides better details than the tooltip would. Generally removing a submenu tooltip whenever a submenu opens seems like a good idea. > It might be useful to introduce a third setting for tooltip-mode > that means "not-menus", to give the behaviour of some UIs where menu > help appears in the status bar (equivalent to the minibuffer in > Emacs), while elsewhere help is given in tooltips. I think we should generally refrain from using tooltips on submenus, but I don't think that the rest requires a different option. -- David Kastrup, Kriemhildstr. 15, 44793 Bochum