From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: David Kastrup Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: Re: Next release Date: Sat, 10 May 2008 22:30:09 +0200 Message-ID: <85r6c9hpgu.fsf@lola.goethe.zz> References: <18457.37369.262079.668907@kahikatea.snap.net.nz> <200805040056.m440u3eS022727@sallyv1.ics.uci.edu> <874p9dn46h.fsf@stupidchicken.com> <4822B82A.6030003@gnu.org> <86zlr1qjq3.fsf@lola.quinscape.zz> <4822D898.4000000@swipnet.se> NNTP-Posting-Host: lo.gmane.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Trace: ger.gmane.org 1210451473 1033 80.91.229.12 (10 May 2008 20:31:13 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@ger.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Sat, 10 May 2008 20:31:13 +0000 (UTC) Cc: emacs-devel@gnu.org, lekktu@gmail.com, jasonr@gnu.org, monnier@iro.umontreal.ca, david.reitter@gmail.com, eliz@gnu.org, Jan =?iso-8859-1?Q?Dj=E4rv?= To: rms@gnu.org Original-X-From: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Sat May 10 22:31:48 2008 Return-path: Envelope-to: ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([199.232.76.165]) by lo.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.50) id 1JuvjI-00020I-TF for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Sat, 10 May 2008 22:31:41 +0200 Original-Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:37489 helo=lists.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1Juvia-0007b6-Ax for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Sat, 10 May 2008 16:30:56 -0400 Original-Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1JuviB-0007L0-6N for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Sat, 10 May 2008 16:30:31 -0400 Original-Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1Juvi8-0007I6-7h for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Sat, 10 May 2008 16:30:30 -0400 Original-Received: from [199.232.76.173] (port=54305 helo=monty-python.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1Juvi8-0007Hy-1S for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Sat, 10 May 2008 16:30:28 -0400 Original-Received: from mail-in-04.arcor-online.net ([151.189.21.44]:47350) by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS-1.0:DHE_RSA_AES_256_CBC_SHA1:32) (Exim 4.60) (envelope-from ) id 1Juvht-0001VY-G6; Sat, 10 May 2008 16:30:13 -0400 Original-Received: from mail-in-09-z2.arcor-online.net (mail-in-09-z2.arcor-online.net [151.189.8.21]) by mail-in-04.arcor-online.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 815C717F7DF; Sat, 10 May 2008 22:30:11 +0200 (CEST) Original-Received: from mail-in-02.arcor-online.net (mail-in-02.arcor-online.net [151.189.21.42]) by mail-in-09-z2.arcor-online.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4EED228EDBE; Sat, 10 May 2008 22:30:13 +0200 (CEST) Original-Received: from lola.goethe.zz (dslb-084-061-035-156.pools.arcor-ip.net [84.61.35.156]) by mail-in-02.arcor-online.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 51A8E36E867; Sat, 10 May 2008 22:30:11 +0200 (CEST) Original-Received: by lola.goethe.zz (Postfix, from userid 1002) id 0903A1D7B330; Sat, 10 May 2008 22:30:09 +0200 (CEST) In-Reply-To: (Richard M. Stallman's message of "Sat, 10 May 2008 04:55:03 -0400") User-Agent: Gnus/5.13 (Gnus v5.13) Emacs/23.0.60 (gnu/linux) X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.92.1/7083/Sat May 10 17:55:11 2008 on mail-in-02.arcor-online.net X-Virus-Status: Clean X-detected-kernel: by monty-python.gnu.org: Linux 2.4-2.6 X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Original-Sender: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.devel:96945 Archived-At: Richard M Stallman writes: > How do you handle --debug-init? > > I suggest mapping the frame beforehand, as now, > if --debug-init is specified. This could turn display related startup bugs into Heisenbugs (disappear when trying to debug them). I'd go that way only if we find that just putting the debug-init output onto either startup splash or stderr really don't do the trick. It would be my guess that an option like --debug-init would mostly be given on a console, so stderr might actually work pretty well for a traceback or something. -- David Kastrup, Kriemhildstr. 15, 44793 Bochum