From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: David Kastrup Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: Re: remember(-diary).el Date: Sat, 01 Dec 2007 10:56:34 +0100 Message-ID: <85oddalovh.fsf@lola.goethe.zz> References: <4743DD30.4010504@gmx.at> <4743EFE7.7080907@gmx.at> <8763zki775.fsf@grepfind.mwolson.org> <87lk8fh8wu.fsf@grepfind.mwolson.org> <66bq9bmu3b.fsf@fencepost.gnu.org> <877ijzfko3.fsf@grepfind.mwolson.org> NNTP-Posting-Host: lo.gmane.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Trace: ger.gmane.org 1196502992 10619 80.91.229.12 (1 Dec 2007 09:56:32 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@ger.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Sat, 1 Dec 2007 09:56:32 +0000 (UTC) Cc: Leo , emacs-devel@gnu.org To: Eli Zaretskii Original-X-From: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Sat Dec 01 10:56:41 2007 Return-path: Envelope-to: ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([199.232.76.165]) by lo.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.50) id 1IyP5U-00040y-3J for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Sat, 01 Dec 2007 10:56:40 +0100 Original-Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1] helo=lists.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1IyP5D-0003Gw-W8 for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Sat, 01 Dec 2007 04:56:24 -0500 Original-Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1IyP58-0003Gf-Ae for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Sat, 01 Dec 2007 04:56:18 -0500 Original-Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1IyP56-0003G7-4H for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Sat, 01 Dec 2007 04:56:17 -0500 Original-Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1IyP55-0003G4-Sl for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Sat, 01 Dec 2007 04:56:15 -0500 Original-Received: from fencepost.gnu.org ([140.186.70.10]) by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.60) (envelope-from ) id 1IyP55-0004LK-FW for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Sat, 01 Dec 2007 04:56:15 -0500 Original-Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1] helo=lola.goethe.zz) by fencepost.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.60) (envelope-from ) id 1IyP54-0007CD-Rl; Sat, 01 Dec 2007 04:56:15 -0500 Original-Received: by lola.goethe.zz (Postfix, from userid 1002) id E7C261C4D3AA; Sat, 1 Dec 2007 10:56:34 +0100 (CET) In-Reply-To: (Eli Zaretskii's message of "Sat, 01 Dec 2007 11:07:04 +0200") User-Agent: Gnus/5.13 (Gnus v5.13) Emacs/23.0.50 (gnu/linux) X-detected-kernel: by monty-python.gnu.org: Linux 2.6, seldom 2.4 (older, 4) X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Original-Sender: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.devel:84416 Archived-At: Eli Zaretskii writes: >> From: Leo >> Date: Fri, 30 Nov 2007 22:22:43 +0000 >> >> Maybe many third world people still use win 9x; but I just did a >> survey and +90% don't intend to use any GNU software and and among >> the rest, 7% do not want to upgrade their software. > > But we _do_ want to convince them to use GNU software, don't we? And the point of free software is that you are _free_ to use it, not that you _have_ to use it. At any given point of time, for the "normal citizen" restrictive government regulations are not relevant. But that is a consolation only as long as you are not affected. And GNU/Linux with its much more modest system requirements offers a migration path (a path you can start with Emacs) to uptodate software for older hardware, the kind of hardware people in the third world use. Incidentally, if 10% intend to use GNU software, I would guess that is at least double the percentage of people in the first and second world. Even if the amount would have been more like 0.5%, for the sake of those it would have been worth it. 10% already is a mass phenomenon, if you ask me... -- David Kastrup, Kriemhildstr. 15, 44793 Bochum