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From: David Kastrup <dak@gnu.org>
To: Miles Bader <miles@gnu.org>
Cc: Leo <sdl.web@gmail.com>, emacs-devel@gnu.org
Subject: Re: scroll-conservatively default
Date: Thu, 06 Dec 2007 12:10:22 +0100	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <85odd4qdsx.fsf@lola.goethe.zz> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <buohciww9d0.fsf@dhapc248.dev.necel.com> (Miles Bader's message of "Thu, 06 Dec 2007 16:49:47 +0900")

Miles Bader <miles.bader@necel.com> writes:

> Leo <sdl.web@gmail.com> writes:
>> This mentality might eventually put Emacs to no more. A long time ago
>> human live on eating leafs, however we have evolved.
>
> You're not seriously suggesting that people will scorn Emacs because of
> minor differences in scrolling behavior are you?

Being able to make the material one needs to view as a unit appear on
the screen painlessly is one of the most important and frequent
operations for a screen editor.

Emacs' keybindings in connection with the scrolling behavior don't help
(vi has extra keybindings C-e and C-y for scrolling without moving
point).

This is pretty much the main reason that I compile
--without-toolkit-scrollbars.  The resulting Athena-style scrollbars are
the only reasonable tool for making an Emacs window show the right
excerpts with a tolerable efficiency.

The "standard" GTK scrollbar is useless for that, and so are the normal
key and scrolling settings.

And yes: if one of the most important and basic function from an editor,
namely getting the desired code range into view, is not available, this
will most certainly keep people from using the editor.

-- 
David Kastrup, Kriemhildstr. 15, 44793 Bochum

  reply	other threads:[~2007-12-06 11:10 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 68+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2007-11-07 13:16 recenter-top-bottom Alan Mackenzie_JWA
2007-11-07 14:09 ` recenter-top-bottom Lennart Borgman (gmail)
2007-11-08  4:42 ` recenter-top-bottom Richard Stallman
2007-11-11 20:16 ` recenter-top-bottom Drew Adams
2007-11-11 21:47   ` recenter-top-bottom Juri Linkov
2007-11-11 22:38     ` recenter-top-bottom Drew Adams
2007-11-11 22:59       ` recenter-top-bottom Juri Linkov
2007-11-11 23:06         ` recenter-top-bottom Drew Adams
2007-11-12  0:12         ` recenter-top-bottom Bastien
2007-11-11 23:56           ` recenter-top-bottom Drew Adams
2007-11-12  4:56             ` recenter-top-bottom Bastien
2007-11-12  8:33               ` recenter-top-bottom Drew Adams
2007-11-12 13:01                 ` recenter-top-bottom Bastien
2007-11-12 13:06                   ` recenter-top-bottom Bastien
2007-11-12 12:06             ` recenter-top-bottom Robert J. Chassell
2007-11-12 13:05               ` recenter-top-bottom Lennart Borgman (gmail)
2007-11-12  5:59   ` recenter-top-bottom Richard Stallman
2007-11-12  7:17     ` recenter-top-bottom Bastien
2007-11-12  8:34     ` recenter-top-bottom Drew Adams
2007-11-12  8:50       ` recenter-top-bottom Drew Adams
2007-11-12 13:15         ` recenter-top-bottom Bastien
2007-11-12 21:57       ` recenter-top-bottom Juri Linkov
2007-11-12 23:00         ` recenter-top-bottom Drew Adams
2007-11-13 13:35           ` recenter-top-bottom Bastien
2007-11-13  5:10       ` recenter-top-bottom Richard Stallman
2007-11-14 21:57         ` recenter-top-bottom Drew Adams
2007-11-14 22:07           ` recenter-top-bottom Lennart Borgman (gmail)
2007-11-14 22:51           ` recenter-top-bottom Bastien
2007-11-14 23:51           ` recenter-top-bottom Juri Linkov
2007-11-15  0:23             ` recenter-top-bottom Lennart Borgman (gmail)
2007-11-15  0:58             ` recenter-top-bottom Drew Adams
2007-11-15  8:36               ` recenter-top-bottom Lennart Borgman (gmail)
2007-11-15 13:07           ` recenter-top-bottom Richard Stallman
2007-11-15 15:16           ` recenter-top-bottom Stefan Monnier
2007-11-15 15:52             ` recenter-top-bottom Drew Adams
2007-11-16  4:29             ` recenter-top-bottom Richard Stallman
2007-11-16 18:51               ` recenter-top-bottom Stefan Monnier
2007-12-01 13:55             ` recenter-top-bottom Johan Bockgård
2007-12-01 14:28               ` recenter-top-bottom Leo
2007-12-01 15:48                 ` recenter-top-bottom Eli Zaretskii
2007-12-01 18:33                   ` recenter-top-bottom Leo
2007-12-01 21:07                     ` recenter-top-bottom Eli Zaretskii
2007-12-01 23:41                 ` recenter-top-bottom Richard Stallman
2007-12-01 16:22               ` recenter-top-bottom Drew Adams
2007-12-01 23:41                 ` recenter-top-bottom Richard Stallman
2007-12-02  0:48                   ` scroll-conservatively default (was: Re: recenter-top-bottom) Dan Nicolaescu
2007-12-02  1:21                     ` scroll-conservatively default Johan Bockgård
2007-12-02  3:58                       ` Eli Zaretskii
2007-12-02  4:52                         ` Drew Adams
2007-12-03 21:20                       ` Dan Nicolaescu
2007-12-04  4:13                         ` Eli Zaretskii
2007-12-04  7:25                           ` Dan Nicolaescu
2007-12-04 21:10                             ` Eli Zaretskii
2007-12-05  4:29                               ` Dan Nicolaescu
2007-12-05  2:57                             ` Richard Stallman
2007-12-05  4:32                               ` Dan Nicolaescu
2007-12-04  9:28                           ` Leo
2007-12-04 21:14                             ` Eli Zaretskii
2007-12-06  7:49                             ` Miles Bader
2007-12-06 11:10                               ` David Kastrup [this message]
2007-12-06 11:36                                 ` Andreas Schwab
2007-12-06 21:43                                   ` Richard Stallman
2007-12-07  9:46                                     ` Andreas Schwab
2007-12-06 21:14                                 ` Eli Zaretskii
2007-12-06 22:13                                   ` David Kastrup
2007-12-07  3:01                                   ` Miles Bader
2007-12-02  0:47                 ` recenter-top-bottom Johan Bockgård
2007-12-02  4:53                   ` recenter-top-bottom Drew Adams

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