From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: David Kastrup Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: Re: What a modern collaboration toolkit looks like Date: Mon, 07 Jan 2008 09:15:38 +0100 Message-ID: <85odbydpat.fsf@lola.goethe.zz> References: <20080101171120.GC3830@muc.de> <20080101.190535.32709273.wl@gnu.org> <20080101182742.GE3830@muc.de> <20080101.192802.05328072.wl@gnu.org> <20080103010807.GB13318@kobe.laptop> <85wsqqnfce.fsf@lola.goethe.zz> <85bq80mgut.fsf@lola.goethe.zz> <85fxxbjjk2.fsf@lola.goethe.zz> NNTP-Posting-Host: lo.gmane.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Trace: ger.gmane.org 1199693711 32293 80.91.229.12 (7 Jan 2008 08:15:11 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@ger.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Mon, 7 Jan 2008 08:15:11 +0000 (UTC) Cc: esr@snark.thyrsus.com, emacs-devel@gnu.org, esr@thyrsus.com, keramida@ceid.upatras.gr, acm@muc.de, eliz@gnu.org To: rms@gnu.org Original-X-From: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Mon Jan 07 09:15:31 2008 Return-path: Envelope-to: ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([199.232.76.165]) by lo.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.50) id 1JBn8s-0000RQ-QG for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Mon, 07 Jan 2008 09:15:31 +0100 Original-Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1] helo=lists.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1JBn8V-0007qF-Nn for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Mon, 07 Jan 2008 03:15:07 -0500 Original-Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1JBn8R-0007pv-7v for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Mon, 07 Jan 2008 03:15:03 -0500 Original-Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1JBn8P-0007pJ-9j for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Mon, 07 Jan 2008 03:15:02 -0500 Original-Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1JBn8P-0007pG-7G for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Mon, 07 Jan 2008 03:15:01 -0500 Original-Received: from mail-in-06.arcor-online.net ([151.189.21.46]) by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS-1.0:DHE_RSA_AES_256_CBC_SHA1:32) (Exim 4.60) (envelope-from ) id 1JBn8H-00041l-8p; Mon, 07 Jan 2008 03:14:53 -0500 Original-Received: from mail-in-11-z2.arcor-online.net (mail-in-11-z2.arcor-online.net [151.189.8.28]) by mail-in-06.arcor-online.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0C58431E87E; Mon, 7 Jan 2008 09:14:49 +0100 (CET) Original-Received: from mail-in-04.arcor-online.net (mail-in-04.arcor-online.net [151.189.21.44]) by mail-in-11-z2.arcor-online.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id F2863347182; Mon, 7 Jan 2008 09:14:48 +0100 (CET) Original-Received: from lola.goethe.zz (dslb-084-061-007-060.pools.arcor-ip.net [84.61.7.60]) by mail-in-04.arcor-online.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id AB88A1BF3D3; Mon, 7 Jan 2008 09:14:33 +0100 (CET) Original-Received: by lola.goethe.zz (Postfix, from userid 1002) id 198A41CCF8D9; Mon, 7 Jan 2008 09:15:37 +0100 (CET) In-Reply-To: (Richard Stallman's message of "Sun, 06 Jan 2008 23:18:05 -0500") User-Agent: Gnus/5.13 (Gnus v5.13) Emacs/23.0.50 (gnu/linux) X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.91.2/5406/Mon Jan 7 07:40:59 2008 on mail-in-04.arcor-online.net X-Virus-Status: Clean X-detected-kernel: by monty-python.gnu.org: Linux 2.4-2.6 X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Original-Sender: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.devel:86441 Archived-At: Richard Stallman writes: > "the current development version" is not a concept for git. No > repository is special as far as git is concerned. The "current > development version" is a social, not a technical concept. For example, > the git maintainer was off-line unexpectedly for some months recently. > Somebody else took over seamlessly by collecting, arranging and > coordinating patches on the git list into _his_ repository. > > With CVS, people can get the current version of every program on > savannah in a uniform way. What you say seems to imply that that is > not possible with git. That seems like a big step backwards. Huh? Declare a repository as official, and people can sync to it and "get the current version of every program on Savannah in a uniform way". They can sync to any other repository (or pull changes on top of other already pulled changes), too, without disturbing their setup. But it is not like they would magically get something they didn't ask for, or would not always be able to tell what changes in addition to the Savannah remote state they had applied in their own repository. > Within a community of people that work together, it won't be a > problem. They will know to look THERE instead of HERE. But users in > general can't be expected to check for that sort of thing before they > get the current development Emacs. Huh? I can get an rsync of Emacs CVS, check something into that copy and publish it on a server. Same thing. A user can't usefully work with two CVS repositories at once, sure, but the THERE/HERE confusion is just the same. -- David Kastrup, Kriemhildstr. 15, 44793 Bochum