From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Wolfgang Jenkner Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: Re: On language-dependent defaults for character-folding Date: Mon, 22 Feb 2016 17:56:19 +0100 Message-ID: <85oab8elak.fsf@iznogoud.viz> References: <838u2hu6aq.fsf@gnu.org> <871t899tde.fsf@gnus.org> <83y4ahru04.fsf@gnu.org> <83fuwproyf.fsf@gnu.org> <837fi0sz29.fsf@gnu.org> <83egc8qzjh.fsf@gnu.org> <87egc7evu3.fsf@gnus.org> <83io1jpt4u.fsf@gnu.org> <87povqhj25.fsf@gnus.org> <83povqm3dw.fsf@gnu.org> <83io1im0zq.fsf@gnu.org> <85si0kenvi.fsf@iznogoud.viz> <83mvqsln3j.fsf@gnu.org> NNTP-Posting-Host: plane.gmane.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Trace: ger.gmane.org 1456160245 25974 80.91.229.3 (22 Feb 2016 16:57:25 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@ger.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Mon, 22 Feb 2016 16:57:25 +0000 (UTC) Cc: larsi@gnus.org, lokedhs@gmail.com, emacs-devel@gnu.org To: Eli Zaretskii Original-X-From: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Mon Feb 22 17:57:11 2016 Return-path: Envelope-to: ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([208.118.235.17]) by plane.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1aXtnI-0005lO-SS for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Mon, 22 Feb 2016 17:57:09 +0100 Original-Received: from localhost ([::1]:50299 helo=lists.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1aXtnI-0003Yw-F9 for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Mon, 22 Feb 2016 11:57:08 -0500 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:4830:134:3::10]:39385) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1aXtmd-0002WK-IB for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Mon, 22 Feb 2016 11:56:28 -0500 Original-Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1aXtmZ-0003GF-Gb for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Mon, 22 Feb 2016 11:56:27 -0500 Original-Received: from vie01a-dmta-at51-3.mx.upcmail.net ([62.179.121.141]:30855) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1aXtmZ-0003Fr-A3 for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Mon, 22 Feb 2016 11:56:23 -0500 Original-Received: from [172.31.216.41] (helo=vie01a-pemc-psmtp-at50) by vie01a-dmta-at51.mx.upcmail.net with esmtp (Exim 4.72) (envelope-from ) id 1aXtmW-0000F6-80 for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Mon, 22 Feb 2016 17:56:20 +0100 Original-Received: from iznogoud.viz ([91.119.137.223]) by vie01a-pemc-psmtp-at50 with SMTP @ mailcloud.upcmail.net id MUwK1s00D4pNdpF0BUwKGG; Mon, 22 Feb 2016 17:56:20 +0100 X-SourceIP: 91.119.137.223 X-CNFS-Analysis: v=2.1 cv=HobaYRnS c=1 sm=2 tr=0 a=B+ML/0u0QBnjoDhkzk2oXA==:117 a=B+ML/0u0QBnjoDhkzk2oXA==:17 a=L9H7d07YOLsA:10 a=9cW_t1CCXrUA:10 a=s5jvgZ67dGcA:10 a=IkcTkHD0fZMA:10 a=jFJIQSaiL_oA:10 a=UV2raCUvhDGCd5kwiEQA:9 a=QEXdDO2ut3YA:10 Original-Received: from wolfgang by iznogoud.viz with local (Exim 4.86 (FreeBSD)) (envelope-from ) id 1aXtmV-0006Rh-7j; Mon, 22 Feb 2016 17:56:19 +0100 Mail-Followup-To: Eli Zaretskii , larsi@gnus.org, lokedhs@gmail.com, emacs-devel@gnu.org In-Reply-To: <83mvqsln3j.fsf@gnu.org> (Eli Zaretskii's message of "Mon, 22 Feb 2016 18:35:28 +0200") User-Agent: Gnus/5.130014 (Ma Gnus v0.14) Emacs/25.1.50 (berkeley-unix) X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: GNU/Linux 3.x [generic] X-Received-From: 62.179.121.141 X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.devel:200465 Archived-At: On Mon, Feb 22 2016, Eli Zaretskii wrote: >> > I don't think this is correct. I think =C3=B6 is a letter on its own = in >> > any language that uses it. Which is why I don't see how it is >> > different from =C3=B8. >>=20 >> In German dictionary collation order there's only a secondary difference >> between o and =C3=B6 [1] >>=20 >> &O<<=C3=B6<<<=C3=96 > > Yes, I know. But that doesn't mean =C3=B6 is not a letter on its own. > > IOW, collation order says nothing about letter differences, IMO. I think it does. All objections to making char-fold search the default come from people who expect that letters with a *primary* difference in their locale should not be conflated.