From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: David Kastrup Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel,gmane.emacs.pretest.bugs Subject: Re: [simon.marshall@misys.com: Font Lock on-the-fly misfontification in C++] Date: Wed, 02 Aug 2006 11:57:22 +0200 Message-ID: <85mzanwjct.fsf@lola.goethe.zz> References: <20060723142630.GB1433@muc.de> <20060731220419.GF1271@muc.de> <17616.29352.887502.516153@parhasard.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: main.gmane.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Trace: sea.gmane.org 1154512678 12934 80.91.229.2 (2 Aug 2006 09:57:58 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@sea.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Wed, 2 Aug 2006 09:57:58 +0000 (UTC) Cc: rms@gnu.org, emacs-pretest-bug@gnu.org, simon.marshall@misys.com, emacs-devel@gnu.org, bug-cc-mode@gnu.org, monnier@iro.umontreal.ca, Alan Mackenzie Original-X-From: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Wed Aug 02 11:57:56 2006 Return-path: Envelope-to: ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([199.232.76.165]) by ciao.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1G8DU6-00055f-8U for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Wed, 02 Aug 2006 11:57:51 +0200 Original-Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1] helo=lists.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1G8DU5-0001Hp-Rn for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Wed, 02 Aug 2006 05:57:49 -0400 Original-Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1G8DTv-0001HY-6F for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Wed, 02 Aug 2006 05:57:39 -0400 Original-Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1G8DTu-0001HM-5H for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Wed, 02 Aug 2006 05:57:38 -0400 Original-Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1G8DTu-0001HJ-1K; Wed, 02 Aug 2006 05:57:38 -0400 Original-Received: from [199.232.76.164] (helo=fencepost.gnu.org) by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.52) id 1G8DWz-0003m8-B8; Wed, 02 Aug 2006 06:00:49 -0400 Original-Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1] helo=lola.goethe.zz) by fencepost.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.34) id 1G8DTl-0002DS-Ur; Wed, 02 Aug 2006 05:57:30 -0400 Original-Received: by lola.goethe.zz (Postfix, from userid 1002) id 9146C1CE3084; Wed, 2 Aug 2006 11:57:22 +0200 (CEST) Original-To: Aidan Kehoe In-Reply-To: <17616.29352.887502.516153@parhasard.net> (Aidan Kehoe's message of "Wed, 2 Aug 2006 11:38:48 +0200") User-Agent: Gnus/5.11 (Gnus v5.11) Emacs/22.0.50 (gnu/linux) X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Original-Sender: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.devel:57996 gmane.emacs.pretest.bugs:13257 Archived-At: Aidan Kehoe writes: > Ar an t-aon=C3=BA l=C3=A1 is triochad de m=C3=AD I=C3=BAil, scr=C3=ADobh= Richard Stallman:=20 > > > To speak of "GNU Emacs" and "XEmacs" gives the impression that XEmacs = has > > nothing to do with GNU. Since XEmacs is a forked version of Emacs, that > > is a misleading impression. Please write "Emacs" and "XEmacs", or else > > "GNU Emacs" and "GNU XEmacs". > > Substantial parts of the code of XEmacs are not copyrighted by the > FSF, the legal entity stewarding the GNU project, and this is almost > certain to remain so. The XEmacs project members do not consider the > advancement of the GNU project as a significant part of our job. We > use the term XEmacs, we never use the term GNU XEmacs. And we use the term "Emacs" for referring to Emacs. When the term "GNU Emacs" is used, it is to draw attention to the GNU project and the part Emacs plays within it, not to insinuate that the scope of Emacs is supposed to be restricted to within GNU. Contrasting "XEmacs" and "GNU Emacs" is therefore misleading. The proper names of the editors are "Emacs" and "XEmacs". "GNU Emacs" is a distinction, but not one differentiating Emacs and XEmacs. > If you want to be wilfully disrespectful to the members of the > XEmacs project, use GNU XEmacs to refer to the editor; otherwise, > the established usage, XEmacs on its own, will raise fewer hackles > and doesn=E2=80=99t require you to think extra hard every time you mention > the editor. The same goes for Emacs. Here is the passage from the Emacs FAQ: (info "(efaq) Difference between Emacs and XEmacs") If you want to talk about these two versions and distinguish them, please call them "Emacs" and "XEmacs." To contrast "XEmacs" with "GNU Emacs" would be misleading, since XEmacs too has its origin in the work of the GNU Project. Terms such as "Emacsen" and "(X)Emacs" are not wrong, but they are not very clear, so it is better to write "Emacs and XEmacs." I don't think it too onerous to expect that XEmacs developers call Emacs "Emacs". The stance that "Emacs" is supposed to mean "Emacs and XEmacs" and only "GNU Emacs" is supposed to carry the meaning "Emacs" is not really helpful, not even to XEmacs users. --=20 David Kastrup, Kriemhildstr. 15, 44793 Bochum