From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: David Kastrup Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: Re: --with-gtk as default? Date: Wed, 28 Feb 2007 13:28:25 +0100 Message-ID: <85mz2ympp2.fsf@lola.goethe.zz> References: <85wt23idxi.fsf@lola.goethe.zz> <857iu267fm.fsf@lola.goethe.zz> <45E53BCE.4090300@swipnet.se> <17893.16643.270487.229535@kahikatea.snap.net.nz> <85zm6ymrx4.fsf@lola.goethe.zz> NNTP-Posting-Host: lo.gmane.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Trace: sea.gmane.org 1172665737 12034 80.91.229.12 (28 Feb 2007 12:28:57 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@sea.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Wed, 28 Feb 2007 12:28:57 +0000 (UTC) Cc: Nick Roberts , Jan =?iso-8859-1?Q?Dj=E4rv?= , rms@gnu.org, emacs-devel@gnu.org To: storm@cua.dk (Kim F. Storm) Original-X-From: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Wed Feb 28 13:28:46 2007 Return-path: Envelope-to: ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([199.232.76.165]) by lo.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.50) id 1HMNvJ-00040z-RR for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Wed, 28 Feb 2007 13:28:46 +0100 Original-Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1] helo=lists.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1HMNvF-0004Jr-OD for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Wed, 28 Feb 2007 07:28:41 -0500 Original-Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1HMNv4-0004Hk-19 for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Wed, 28 Feb 2007 07:28:30 -0500 Original-Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1HMNv3-0004Gt-F1 for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Wed, 28 Feb 2007 07:28:29 -0500 Original-Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1HMNv3-0004Gm-8F for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Wed, 28 Feb 2007 07:28:29 -0500 Original-Received: from mail-in-11.arcor-online.net ([151.189.21.51]) by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS-1.0:DHE_RSA_AES_256_CBC_SHA:32) (Exim 4.52) id 1HMNv2-0006vC-0a; Wed, 28 Feb 2007 07:28:28 -0500 Original-Received: from mail-in-08-z2.arcor-online.net (mail-in-08-z2.arcor-online.net [151.189.8.20]) by mail-in-11.arcor-online.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5A39D11699; Wed, 28 Feb 2007 13:28:26 +0100 (CET) Original-Received: from mail-in-06.arcor-online.net (mail-in-06.arcor-online.net [151.189.21.46]) by mail-in-08-z2.arcor-online.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 46FB321305D; Wed, 28 Feb 2007 13:28:26 +0100 (CET) Original-Received: from lola.goethe.zz (dslb-084-061-043-215.pools.arcor-ip.net [84.61.43.215]) by mail-in-06.arcor-online.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id B744A2C877A; Wed, 28 Feb 2007 13:28:25 +0100 (CET) Original-Received: by lola.goethe.zz (Postfix, from userid 1002) id 2066E1C4D3B2; Wed, 28 Feb 2007 13:28:25 +0100 (CET) In-Reply-To: (Kim F. Storm's message of "Wed\, 28 Feb 2007 13\:18\:47 +0100") User-Agent: Gnus/5.11 (Gnus v5.11) Emacs/22.0.94 (gnu/linux) X-detected-kernel: Linux 2.4-2.6 X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Original-Sender: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.devel:67024 Archived-At: storm@cua.dk (Kim F. Storm) writes: > David Kastrup writes: > >> Sigh. So the default Emacs installations for decades to come are >> going to show off the utterly archaic Athena look, > > hgiS. I happen to like that look (but maybe I look a bit archaic myself). It does not blend into current desktops at all. Which is the greatest weakness of XEmacs' looks IMO (it looks pretty much the same on every desktop, and pretty much out of kilter everywhere). So we get well-integrated looks supporting antialiased Unicode menus under Windows and MacOSX desktops by default, and a bunch of rather crudely designed retrowidgets (and no "open file" widgets at all IIRC) with pixelish menu fonts under GNU/Linux and other X11 based desktops. Such a waste. It's frustrating to advertise an editor that visually appears to be stuck in the last millennium. -- David Kastrup, Kriemhildstr. 15, 44793 Bochum