From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: David Kastrup Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: Re: [drew.adams@oracle.com: RE: cannot find :enable in Elisp manualindex] Date: Wed, 30 May 2007 07:23:52 +0200 Message-ID: <85myzm3mvr.fsf@lola.goethe.zz> References: NNTP-Posting-Host: lo.gmane.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Trace: sea.gmane.org 1180502664 32154 80.91.229.12 (30 May 2007 05:24:24 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@sea.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Wed, 30 May 2007 05:24:24 +0000 (UTC) Cc: rms@gnu.org, Drew Adams , emacs-devel@gnu.org To: Eli Zaretskii Original-X-From: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Wed May 30 07:24:22 2007 Return-path: Envelope-to: ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([199.232.76.165]) by lo.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.50) id 1HtGfW-0002dy-1z for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Wed, 30 May 2007 07:24:22 +0200 Original-Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1] helo=lists.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1HtGfU-00064d-9w for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Wed, 30 May 2007 01:24:20 -0400 Original-Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1HtGfQ-00064P-7U for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Wed, 30 May 2007 01:24:16 -0400 Original-Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1HtGfN-00064D-MW for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Wed, 30 May 2007 01:24:14 -0400 Original-Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1HtGfN-00064A-GN for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Wed, 30 May 2007 01:24:13 -0400 Original-Received: from mail-in-10.arcor-online.net ([151.189.21.50]) by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS-1.0:DHE_RSA_AES_256_CBC_SHA1:32) (Exim 4.60) (envelope-from ) id 1HtGfC-0005V5-1j; Wed, 30 May 2007 01:24:02 -0400 Original-Received: from mail-in-03-z2.arcor-online.net (mail-in-03-z2.arcor-online.net [151.189.8.15]) by mail-in-10.arcor-online.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7308A1F56F5; Wed, 30 May 2007 07:23:54 +0200 (CEST) Original-Received: from mail-in-10.arcor-online.net (mail-in-10.arcor-online.net [151.189.21.50]) by mail-in-03-z2.arcor-online.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3AFC52D3C12; Wed, 30 May 2007 07:23:54 +0200 (CEST) Original-Received: from lola.goethe.zz (dslb-084-061-040-063.pools.arcor-ip.net [84.61.40.63]) by mail-in-10.arcor-online.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 09C122351A4; Wed, 30 May 2007 07:23:54 +0200 (CEST) Original-Received: by lola.goethe.zz (Postfix, from userid 1002) id 39DC91C3E046; Wed, 30 May 2007 07:23:52 +0200 (CEST) In-Reply-To: (Eli Zaretskii's message of "Wed\, 30 May 2007 06\:20\:51 +0300") User-Agent: Gnus/5.11 (Gnus v5.11) Emacs/22.1.50 (gnu/linux) X-detected-kernel: Linux 2.4-2.6 X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Original-Sender: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.devel:71982 Archived-At: Eli Zaretskii writes: >> From: "Drew Adams" > >> 2) Looking up ":type" as opposed to "type" is in no way analogous >> to looking up "'keymap" as opposed to "keymap". I can't believe >> that you would suggest such a thing. > > Well, then maybe we have quite different perceptions of the Emacs > Lisp syntax and semantics. The colon plays a role that is very > similar to the quote: it is used to mean the literal symbol name as > opposed to the value of the symbol. Not really: it makes the symbol a self-quoting one, but the colon is part of that symbol. You can easily see this by typing M-: :test RET >> It's hard to imagine why you would "think index search is so much >> more powerful that `s', _even with the colon problem_." > > Well, maybe now you understand that better. While I don't agree with Drew's way of asking for things (though in all fairness I am probably not much better), I think having keywords starting with colon indexed would be definitely appropriate and expected behavior. -- David Kastrup, Kriemhildstr. 15, 44793 Bochum