From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: David Kastrup Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: Re: Enabling Transient Mark Mode by default Date: Wed, 20 Feb 2008 22:24:53 +0100 Message-ID: <85lk5fcod6.fsf@lola.goethe.zz> References: <87myq4saw1.fsf@catnip.gol.com> <878x1ov227.fsf@jurta.org> <878x1os6mt.fsf@catnip.gol.com> <47B39231.8010108@gmail.com> <200802151711.m1FHB3Y3008798@sallyv1.ics.uci.edu> <200802171658.m1HGwQ4h011067@sallyv1.ics.uci.edu> <20080219085231.GA1032@muc.de> <200802190938.m1J9ccVg016565@sallyv1.ics.uci.edu> <20080219190127.GA1106@muc.de> <877ih0o9dx.fsf@catnip.gol.com> <86lk5f4fjb.fsf@timbral.net> <87ejb7babz.fsf@xmission.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: lo.gmane.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Trace: ger.gmane.org 1203542716 25375 80.91.229.12 (20 Feb 2008 21:25:16 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@ger.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Wed, 20 Feb 2008 21:25:16 +0000 (UTC) Cc: Evans Winner , emacs-devel@gnu.org To: Jason Earl Original-X-From: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Wed Feb 20 22:25:40 2008 Return-path: Envelope-to: ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([199.232.76.165]) by lo.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.50) id 1JRwRb-0004WW-2V for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Wed, 20 Feb 2008 22:25:35 +0100 Original-Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1] helo=lists.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1JRwR5-00069t-TY for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Wed, 20 Feb 2008 16:25:03 -0500 Original-Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1JRwR1-00068F-ER for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Wed, 20 Feb 2008 16:24:59 -0500 Original-Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1JRwQz-00066I-5B for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Wed, 20 Feb 2008 16:24:58 -0500 Original-Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1JRwQy-000665-RE for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Wed, 20 Feb 2008 16:24:56 -0500 Original-Received: from mail-in-07.arcor-online.net ([151.189.21.47]) by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS-1.0:DHE_RSA_AES_256_CBC_SHA1:32) (Exim 4.60) (envelope-from ) id 1JRwQy-0007vh-BB for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Wed, 20 Feb 2008 16:24:56 -0500 Original-Received: from mail-in-15-z2.arcor-online.net (mail-in-15-z2.arcor-online.net [151.189.8.32]) by mail-in-07.arcor-online.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id C7C2824AF49; Wed, 20 Feb 2008 22:24:54 +0100 (CET) Original-Received: from mail-in-05.arcor-online.net (mail-in-05.arcor-online.net [151.189.21.45]) by mail-in-15-z2.arcor-online.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id B5E8E7240C9; Wed, 20 Feb 2008 22:24:54 +0100 (CET) Original-Received: from lola.goethe.zz (dslb-084-061-026-202.pools.arcor-ip.net [84.61.26.202]) by mail-in-05.arcor-online.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 55E901C3318; Wed, 20 Feb 2008 22:24:54 +0100 (CET) Original-Received: by lola.goethe.zz (Postfix, from userid 1002) id E8DE51CDB1E6; Wed, 20 Feb 2008 22:24:53 +0100 (CET) In-Reply-To: <87ejb7babz.fsf@xmission.com> (Jason Earl's message of "Wed, 20 Feb 2008 14:13:20 -0700") User-Agent: Gnus/5.13 (Gnus v5.13) Emacs/23.0.60 (gnu/linux) X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.92.1/5893/Wed Feb 20 09:07:36 2008 on mail-in-05.arcor-online.net X-Virus-Status: Clean X-detected-kernel: by monty-python.gnu.org: Linux 2.4-2.6 X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Original-Sender: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.devel:89736 Archived-At: Jason Earl writes: > The alternative, as the manual points out, is to enable > transient-mark-mode and have Emacs work like most newbies > would expect a text editor to work. You are presuming that enabling transient-mark-mode makes Emacs work like most newbies (or people) would expect a text editor to work. I disagree strongly with that presumption. Other editors have marked regions that are _independent_ of point. Emacs doesn't. Transient-mark-mode merely introduces some artifacts of typical text editor regions, but because point is by necessity one region end, the side effects are quite obnoxious and the result in no way leads to a behavior typical for the work flow of other editors. -- David Kastrup, Kriemhildstr. 15, 44793 Bochum