From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: David Kastrup Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: Re: [simon.marshall@misys.com: Font Lock on-the-fly misfontification in C++] Date: Wed, 02 Aug 2006 16:02:28 +0200 Message-ID: <85k65rutfv.fsf@lola.goethe.zz> References: <20060723142630.GB1433@muc.de> <20060731220419.GF1271@muc.de> <17616.29352.887502.516153@parhasard.net> <85mzanwjct.fsf@lola.goethe.zz> <17616.32316.759027.971436@parhasard.net> <85ac6nwdt7.fsf@lola.goethe.zz> <17616.40996.316155.604207@parhasard.net> <85wt9ruvbe.fsf@lola.goethe.zz> <17616.43333.756540.959790@parhasard.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: main.gmane.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Trace: sea.gmane.org 1154527390 29912 80.91.229.2 (2 Aug 2006 14:03:10 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@sea.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Wed, 2 Aug 2006 14:03:10 +0000 (UTC) Cc: emacs-devel@gnu.org Original-X-From: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Wed Aug 02 16:03:04 2006 Return-path: Envelope-to: ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([199.232.76.165]) by ciao.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1G8HJD-0003dA-Lw for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Wed, 02 Aug 2006 16:02:51 +0200 Original-Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1] helo=lists.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1G8HJD-0008HF-0Y for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Wed, 02 Aug 2006 10:02:51 -0400 Original-Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1G8HIz-0008GJ-5u for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Wed, 02 Aug 2006 10:02:37 -0400 Original-Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1G8HIy-0008FP-An for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Wed, 02 Aug 2006 10:02:36 -0400 Original-Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1G8HIx-0008FG-UY for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Wed, 02 Aug 2006 10:02:35 -0400 Original-Received: from [199.232.76.164] (helo=fencepost.gnu.org) by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.52) id 1G8HM5-0003BN-HJ for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Wed, 02 Aug 2006 10:05:49 -0400 Original-Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1] helo=lola.goethe.zz) by fencepost.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.34) id 1G8HIx-0004s2-1W; Wed, 02 Aug 2006 10:02:35 -0400 Original-Received: by lola.goethe.zz (Postfix, from userid 1002) id 669C41C4CD60; Wed, 2 Aug 2006 16:02:28 +0200 (CEST) Original-To: Aidan Kehoe In-Reply-To: <17616.43333.756540.959790@parhasard.net> (Aidan Kehoe's message of "Wed, 2 Aug 2006 15:31:49 +0200") User-Agent: Gnus/5.11 (Gnus v5.11) Emacs/22.0.50 (gnu/linux) X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Original-Sender: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.devel:58003 Archived-At: Aidan Kehoe writes: > Ar an dara l=C3=A1 de m=C3=AD L=C3=BAnasa, scr=C3=ADobh David Kastrup:=20 > > > > As Stallman hijacked the name of TECO Emacs (which editor he did not > > > come up with on his own, remember) before them. > >=20 > > Please get your history right, for example by looking at > > . The name "Emacs" > > came first into use for a system coauthored by Richard. > > Please read what I write before replying to it. > > > [...] As you can see, the name "Emacs" is still used to refer to XEmac= s. > > ... in contexts where it shares behaviour with GNU Emacs. But it doesn't. That's the point. It shares, at best, behavior with an ancient version of Emacs. XEmacs developers can't be reasonably expected to track the progress of Emacs development and change those instances of "Emacs" in their manual whenever Emacs has moved past the state described in the XEmacs manual. And it would be nonsensical to do a tracking project of this kind. The XEmacs manual describes XEmacs and tracks XEmacs development, and so there is little point in referring to "Emacs" when Emacs might do things completely different. The XEmacs Lisp reference also states right in the beginning under "Caveats": This manual was originally written for FSF Emacs 19 and was updated by Ben Wing (ben@xemacs.org) for Lucid Emacs 19.10 and later for XEmacs 19.12, 19.13, 19.14, and 20.0. It was further updated by the XEmacs Development Team for 19.15 and 20.1. Please send comments and corrections relating to XEmacs-specific portions of this manual to xemacs@xemacs.org > As I wrote before. If it=E2=80=99s used to describe XEmacs-specific > behaviouir, that=E2=80=99s something we need to fix. And who is going to track changes in Emacs, so that he can keep up with fixing the references? Really, this makes no sense. Anyway, I quoted from introductory material and explanatory material, the stuff that you reference as a newbie if you want to figure out things. And whether or not the mind frame of active XEmacs developers has moved on beyond the time where this material was written, it is still out there and teaching people who read it. I don't really think you should protest too much if Emacs developers have decided to maintain the distinction between Emacs and XEmacs in the sort of documentation they are responsible for, and that includes the documentation of code placed within Emacs and distributed as part as Emacs. --=20 David Kastrup, Kriemhildstr. 15, 44793 Bochum