From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: David Kastrup Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: Re: What a modern collaboration toolkit looks like Date: Sun, 06 Jan 2008 12:02:08 +0100 Message-ID: <85k5mnjjyn.fsf@lola.goethe.zz> References: <20071230122217.3CA84830B9A@snark.thyrsus.com> <20071231130712.GB8641@thyrsus.com> <87y7b96az8.fsf@member.fsf.org> <87fxxfnrhi.fsf@catnip.gol.com> <85abnkodlu.fsf@lola.goethe.zz> NNTP-Posting-Host: lo.gmane.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Trace: ger.gmane.org 1199617324 18673 80.91.229.12 (6 Jan 2008 11:02:04 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@ger.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Sun, 6 Jan 2008 11:02:04 +0000 (UTC) Cc: tassilo@member.fsf.org, emacs-devel@gnu.org, miles@gnu.org To: rms@gnu.org Original-X-From: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Sun Jan 06 12:02:21 2008 Return-path: Envelope-to: ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([199.232.76.165]) by lo.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.50) id 1JBTGh-0007OX-Hd for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Sun, 06 Jan 2008 12:02:19 +0100 Original-Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1] helo=lists.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1JBTGI-00088f-RF for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Sun, 06 Jan 2008 06:01:50 -0500 Original-Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1JBTGE-00088Q-Ae for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Sun, 06 Jan 2008 06:01:46 -0500 Original-Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1JBTG8-000879-Ih for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Sun, 06 Jan 2008 06:01:45 -0500 Original-Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1JBTG8-000876-BM for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Sun, 06 Jan 2008 06:01:40 -0500 Original-Received: from mail-in-07.arcor-online.net ([151.189.21.47]) by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS-1.0:DHE_RSA_AES_256_CBC_SHA1:32) (Exim 4.60) (envelope-from ) id 1JBTFs-0000pp-Mw; Sun, 06 Jan 2008 06:01:26 -0500 Original-Received: from mail-in-18-z2.arcor-online.net (mail-in-18-z2.arcor-online.net [151.189.8.35]) by mail-in-07.arcor-online.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2458D24B129; Sun, 6 Jan 2008 12:01:12 +0100 (CET) Original-Received: from mail-in-04.arcor-online.net (mail-in-04.arcor-online.net [151.189.21.44]) by mail-in-18-z2.arcor-online.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 11CC4510049; Sun, 6 Jan 2008 12:01:12 +0100 (CET) Original-Received: from lola.goethe.zz (dslb-084-061-036-135.pools.arcor-ip.net [84.61.36.135]) by mail-in-04.arcor-online.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id E2A931BF3D6; Sun, 6 Jan 2008 12:01:06 +0100 (CET) Original-Received: by lola.goethe.zz (Postfix, from userid 1002) id 9C16F1CCF7AE; Sun, 6 Jan 2008 12:02:08 +0100 (CET) In-Reply-To: (Richard Stallman's message of "Sun, 06 Jan 2008 03:09:19 -0500") User-Agent: Gnus/5.13 (Gnus v5.13) Emacs/23.0.50 (gnu/linux) X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.91.2/5385/Sun Jan 6 02:13:06 2008 on mail-in-04.arcor-online.net X-Virus-Status: Clean X-detected-kernel: by monty-python.gnu.org: Linux 2.4-2.6 X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Original-Sender: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.devel:86315 Archived-At: Richard Stallman writes: > > It sounds like "git push" is the real analogue of CVS commit, > > No. Pushing works between repositories. It is the way to propagate > changes to others. > > At this level, that's just a detail. The must important thing about > CVS commit is that it alters what other people will get if they ask to > get the current version from the repository. With git, the operation > which does that is `push'. Not really. The atomic operation changing a repository is a commit which is a commented and registered snapshot of a complete work tree with a pointer to its parent commit (or in the case of a merge, all of its parents). And a commit may make it into a repository rather equivalently by doing a commit from a work directory, by applying a patch or patch series, or by pushing/pulling between repositories. > > CVS GIT > > save file = commit > > No. Saving a file will not give you all the version control history and > tools and diffs and branching and other tools that committing does under > git. > > Ok, but those are details. The crucial point is that saving a file, > or git commit, alters your own data only; it does not affect what > other users will get from the published repository. Unless your "own data" _is_ the published repository. Which is pretty common the case for projects with an official repository controlled by one or few persons, like the Linux kernel. -- David Kastrup, Kriemhildstr. 15, 44793 Bochum