From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: David Kastrup Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: Re: What a modern collaboration toolkit looks like Date: Mon, 07 Jan 2008 09:17:12 +0100 Message-ID: <85k5mmdp87.fsf@lola.goethe.zz> References: <20080101171120.GC3830@muc.de> <20080101.190535.32709273.wl@gnu.org> <20080101182742.GE3830@muc.de> <20080101.192802.05328072.wl@gnu.org> <20080103010807.GB13318@kobe.laptop> <85wsqqnfce.fsf@lola.goethe.zz> <85bq80mgut.fsf@lola.goethe.zz> <85fxxbjjk2.fsf@lola.goethe.zz> NNTP-Posting-Host: lo.gmane.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Trace: ger.gmane.org 1199693936 522 80.91.229.12 (7 Jan 2008 08:18:56 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@ger.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Mon, 7 Jan 2008 08:18:56 +0000 (UTC) To: emacs-devel@gnu.org Original-X-From: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Mon Jan 07 09:19:17 2008 Return-path: Envelope-to: ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([199.232.76.165]) by lo.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.50) id 1JBnCW-0001JU-7f for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Mon, 07 Jan 2008 09:19:16 +0100 Original-Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1] helo=lists.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1JBnC9-0002FH-7H for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Mon, 07 Jan 2008 03:18:53 -0500 Original-Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1JBn9Y-0000Ij-Vz for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Mon, 07 Jan 2008 03:16:13 -0500 Original-Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1JBn9Y-0000I6-9O for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Mon, 07 Jan 2008 03:16:12 -0500 Original-Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1JBn9Y-0000Hx-46 for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Mon, 07 Jan 2008 03:16:12 -0500 Original-Received: from mail-in-05.arcor-online.net ([151.189.21.45]) by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS-1.0:DHE_RSA_AES_256_CBC_SHA1:32) (Exim 4.60) (envelope-from ) id 1JBn9X-0004Ho-Je for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Mon, 07 Jan 2008 03:16:11 -0500 Original-Received: from mail-in-07-z2.arcor-online.net (mail-in-07-z2.arcor-online.net [151.189.8.19]) by mail-in-05.arcor-online.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 16A84183719 for ; Mon, 7 Jan 2008 09:16:10 +0100 (CET) Original-Received: from mail-in-17.arcor-online.net (mail-in-17.arcor-online.net [151.189.21.57]) by mail-in-07-z2.arcor-online.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 09E772C6C09 for ; Mon, 7 Jan 2008 09:16:10 +0100 (CET) Original-Received: from lola.goethe.zz (dslb-084-061-007-060.pools.arcor-ip.net [84.61.7.60]) by mail-in-17.arcor-online.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id E33462BBCC9 for ; Mon, 7 Jan 2008 09:16:09 +0100 (CET) Original-Received: by lola.goethe.zz (Postfix, from userid 1002) id 512651CCF8D9; Mon, 7 Jan 2008 09:17:12 +0100 (CET) In-Reply-To: (Sam Steingold's message of "Sun, 06 Jan 2008 23:52:53 -0500") User-Agent: Gnus/5.13 (Gnus v5.13) Emacs/23.0.50 (gnu/linux) X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.91.2/5403/Mon Jan 7 05:30:32 2008 on mail-in-17.arcor-online.net X-Virus-Status: Clean X-detected-kernel: by monty-python.gnu.org: Linux 2.4-2.6 X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Original-Sender: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.devel:86442 Archived-At: Sam Steingold writes: >> * Richard Stallman [2008-01-06 23:18:05 -0500]: >> >> "the current development version" is not a concept for git. No >> repository is special as far as git is concerned. The "current >> development version" is a social, not a technical concept. For example, >> the git maintainer was off-line unexpectedly for some months recently. >> Somebody else took over seamlessly by collecting, arranging and >> coordinating patches on the git list into _his_ repository. >> >> With CVS, people can get the current version of every program on >> savannah in a uniform way. What you say seems to imply that that is >> not possible with git. That seems like a big step backwards. > > No, this just means that if savannah goes down, nobody can get emacs > from CVS (people can't work on emacs, can't exchange patches &c). > with DVCS, someone can announce that he is stepping in for savannah and > people would hardly notice other than by having to give a different > argument to "git pull" and "git push". > > Note however that with CVS, getting CVS head and building it is hardly > more expensive than downloading a source tarball - wrt both bandwidth > and disk space. With git, the situation is vastly different: you cannot > just get the head, you always get the whole change history, so instead > of 40MB, you will be getting and storing 200MB. This may not be a big > deal these days for many people, but it might be a showstopper for some. You just need to get the history once. After that, only deltas are transmitted. -- David Kastrup, Kriemhildstr. 15, 44793 Bochum