From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: David Kastrup Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: Re: Why Emacs needs a modern bug tracker Date: Fri, 11 Jan 2008 23:41:38 +0100 Message-ID: <85k5mg6l3x.fsf@lola.goethe.zz> References: <20080104164454.0A4BD830697@snark.thyrsus.com> <20080105182456.GR30869@thyrsus.com> <20080105214810.GZ30869@thyrsus.com> <20080105233923.GH30869@thyrsus.com> <18304.10442.537860.246188@kahikatea.snap.net.nz> <87k5mnoge1.fsf@catnip.gol.com> <8763y7o719.fsf@catnip.gol.com> <87r6gt7l7i.GNU's_Not_Unix!%yavor@gnu.org> <871w8o7snz.fsf@olgas.newt.com> <18311.57006.695288.174882@kahikatea.snap.net.nz> NNTP-Posting-Host: lo.gmane.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Trace: ger.gmane.org 1200091286 1596 80.91.229.12 (11 Jan 2008 22:41:26 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@ger.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Fri, 11 Jan 2008 22:41:26 +0000 (UTC) Cc: =?iso-8859-1?Q?=D3scar?= Fuentes , emacs-devel@gnu.org To: Nick Roberts Original-X-From: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Fri Jan 11 23:41:48 2008 Return-path: Envelope-to: ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([199.232.76.165]) by lo.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.50) id 1JDSZP-0007d7-Ec for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Fri, 11 Jan 2008 23:41:47 +0100 Original-Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1] helo=lists.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1JDSZ1-0000Mi-Iw for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Fri, 11 Jan 2008 17:41:23 -0500 Original-Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1JDSYJ-00007w-4g for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Fri, 11 Jan 2008 17:40:39 -0500 Original-Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1JDSYH-00007M-Vu for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Fri, 11 Jan 2008 17:40:38 -0500 Original-Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1JDSYH-00007E-Np for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Fri, 11 Jan 2008 17:40:37 -0500 Original-Received: from mail-in-02.arcor-online.net ([151.189.21.42]) by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS-1.0:DHE_RSA_AES_256_CBC_SHA1:32) (Exim 4.60) (envelope-from ) id 1JDSYH-0005nD-J6 for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Fri, 11 Jan 2008 17:40:37 -0500 Original-Received: from mail-in-09-z2.arcor-online.net (mail-in-09-z2.arcor-online.net [151.189.8.21]) by mail-in-02.arcor-online.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id B9FBB32E8D3; Fri, 11 Jan 2008 23:40:30 +0100 (CET) Original-Received: from mail-in-16.arcor-online.net (mail-in-16.arcor-online.net [151.189.21.56]) by mail-in-09-z2.arcor-online.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id A93D628EDD0; Fri, 11 Jan 2008 23:40:30 +0100 (CET) Original-Received: from lola.goethe.zz (dslb-084-061-051-108.pools.arcor-ip.net [84.61.51.108]) by mail-in-16.arcor-online.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8C3E01A56BD; Fri, 11 Jan 2008 23:40:30 +0100 (CET) Original-Received: by lola.goethe.zz (Postfix, from userid 1002) id 85D161C4F929; Fri, 11 Jan 2008 23:41:38 +0100 (CET) In-Reply-To: <18311.57006.695288.174882@kahikatea.snap.net.nz> (Nick Roberts's message of "Sat, 12 Jan 2008 10:25:02 +1300") User-Agent: Gnus/5.13 (Gnus v5.13) Emacs/23.0.50 (gnu/linux) X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.91.2/5478/Fri Jan 11 16:39:22 2008 on mail-in-16.arcor-online.net X-Virus-Status: Clean X-detected-kernel: by monty-python.gnu.org: Linux 2.4-2.6 X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Original-Sender: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.devel:86758 Archived-At: Nick Roberts writes: > > > I think you'd really like debbugs (Debian BTS), Richard, for the same > > > reasons I love it (as a user). It's completely driven via email and > > > has few knobs and whistles. > > > > > > Documentation about debbugs and a simple reporting form can be found > > > at: > > > > > > http://www.us.debian.org/Bugs/ > > > > At first it looks nice. > > > > But has it support for submitting bugs using web forms? > > Good point. We can find a bug tracking system that suits RMS's needs > but, at the end of the day, it's not worth anything if it doesn't suit > those of the user. I suspect most, especially younger users, would > prefer web forms to e-mail. Please don't act on suspicions about "dumb/younger/whatever users" alone. While it is certainly not uncommon to suspect the rest of the world to be composed of strange people whose behaviors and preferences one can't really comprehend, there would actually be very little motivation for those to play around with Emacs in the first place. -- David Kastrup, Kriemhildstr. 15, 44793 Bochum