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From: David Kastrup <dak@gnu.org>
Cc: lekktu@gmail.com, c.a.rendle@gmail.com, rms@gnu.org,
	monnier@iro.umontreal.ca, emacs-devel@gnu.org
Subject: Re: C file recoginzed as image file
Date: Mon, 08 Jan 2007 19:20:39 +0100	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <85irfhidmw.fsf@lola.goethe.zz> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <m27ivxej74.fsf@gmail.com> (Chris Moore's message of "Mon\, 08 Jan 2007 14\:34\:07 +0100")

Chris Moore <dooglus@gmail.com> writes:

> Richard Stallman <rms@gnu.org> writes:
>
>>     So if someone sends me a virus in image format disguised as
>>     Emacs Lisp code, the correct thing to do is to install the
>>     virus, rather than display it safely in Emacs Lisp mode?
>>
>> Although I appreciate the help you have given on other occasions,
>> that doesn't make sarcastic attacks like this one ok.
>>
>> Please do not talk to me this way again.
>
> That wasn't sarcasm, it was indicating the result of using the magic
> number in preference to the filename without warning the user.
>
> I have tried various ways of trying to explain this risk to you but
> you don't seem to understand any of them.  I thought perhaps a
> reductio ad absurdum[1] argument might help.  Apparently not.
>
> I'm sorry you don't like the form of argument I used.  Do you have a
> list of other types of logical argument you find offensive, so I can
> avoid making a similar mistake again?

That is assuming that the other person is not paying attention, and so
you try to repeat the same content with rhetoric decoration.

Even if you want to use this kind of "logical argument", it can be
done in a way that does not insinuate stupidity on the audience's
side.  Compare your version:

>>     So if someone sends me a virus in image format disguised as
>>     Emacs Lisp code, the correct thing to do is to install the
>>     virus, rather than display it safely in Emacs Lisp mode?

with, for example:

    If we did it that way and someone sent me a virus in image format
    disguised as Emacs Lisp code, the virus would be installed, when I
    would expect it to merely be displayed safely in Emacs Lisp mode.

That way you don't insinuate that the other person, when thinking
about the _same_ _complete_ _case_ as you do, would come to a bad
decision concerning _that_ case.

In short: try to make it your job to show how a particular technical
choice leads to bad results in certain cases, not to show that you
think someone else has worse judgment than you do.

Not everybody thinks of all the same things immediately.  We are not
Borg.

-- 
David Kastrup, Kriemhildstr. 15, 44793 Bochum

  reply	other threads:[~2007-01-08 18:20 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 150+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2007-01-05 14:27 C file recoginzed as image file Charles Rendleman
2007-01-05 14:46 ` Chris Moore
2007-01-05 14:52   ` Lennart Borgman (gmail)
2007-01-05 15:02   ` Chris Moore
2007-01-05 19:02     ` Juanma Barranquero
2007-01-05 22:23       ` Chris Moore
2007-01-05 22:44         ` Juanma Barranquero
2007-01-05 22:47           ` Juanma Barranquero
2007-01-05 23:01           ` Chris Moore
2007-01-05 23:15             ` Juanma Barranquero
2007-01-06 18:07             ` Richard Stallman
2007-01-06 18:49               ` Chris Moore
2007-01-06  0:12         ` Jason Rumney
2007-01-06 18:07           ` Richard Stallman
2007-01-07 19:20           ` Juanma Barranquero
2007-01-08  5:33             ` Richard Stallman
2007-01-06  2:55       ` Richard Stallman
2007-01-06 10:52         ` Juanma Barranquero
2007-01-06  3:20       ` Stefan Monnier
2007-01-06 10:58         ` Juanma Barranquero
2007-01-07 16:50           ` Mathias Dahl
2007-01-07  3:46         ` Richard Stallman
2007-01-07  5:36           ` Stefan Monnier
2007-01-08  5:32             ` Richard Stallman
2007-01-08 15:09               ` Stefan Monnier
2007-01-08 15:25                 ` Kim F. Storm
2007-01-08 17:32                   ` Lennart Borgman (gmail)
2007-01-08 19:54                     ` Eli Zaretskii
2007-01-09 11:12                       ` Jan Nieuwenhuizen
2007-01-09 11:44                         ` Chong Yidong
2007-01-09 11:57                           ` Jan Nieuwenhuizen
2007-01-09 12:40                           ` David Kastrup
2007-01-09 13:03                             ` martin rudalics
2007-01-09 12:57                           ` Chong Yidong
2007-01-09 16:01                           ` Stuart D. Herring
2007-01-09 13:11                         ` Stephen Leake
2007-01-15  6:06                           ` Giorgos Keramidas
2007-01-09 21:49                         ` Eli Zaretskii
2007-01-09 22:20                         ` Alan Mackenzie
2007-01-08 19:48                   ` Eli Zaretskii
2007-01-08 22:34                     ` Stefan Monnier
2007-01-08 23:26                       ` Lennart Borgman (gmail)
2007-01-09  4:08                         ` Richard Stallman
2007-01-09  9:48                           ` Lennart Borgman (gmail)
2007-01-09 11:06                             ` Jason Rumney
2007-01-09 12:01                               ` Lennart Borgman (gmail)
2007-01-09 12:16                                 ` Jason Rumney
2007-01-09 12:23                                   ` Lennart Borgman (gmail)
2007-01-10  1:04                                   ` Richard Stallman
2007-01-10  9:05                                     ` Jason Rumney
2007-01-10  9:38                                       ` Lennart Borgman (gmail)
2007-01-10 23:06                                       ` Richard Stallman
2007-01-09 21:54                                 ` Eli Zaretskii
2007-01-09 21:55                                   ` Lennart Borgman (gmail)
2007-01-09 23:56                                     ` Chris Moore
2007-01-10  0:21                                       ` Lennart Borgman (gmail)
2007-01-10 15:11                                         ` Chris Moore
2007-01-10 15:17                                           ` Lennart Borgman (gmail)
2007-01-09 21:08                             ` Richard Stallman
2007-01-09 21:40                               ` Lennart Borgman (gmail)
2007-01-08 17:09                 ` Stephen J. Turnbull
2007-01-08 20:26                 ` Juanma Barranquero
2007-01-08 20:39                   ` David Kastrup
2007-01-08 20:48                     ` Juanma Barranquero
2007-01-08 20:52                       ` David Kastrup
2007-01-08 21:03                         ` Juanma Barranquero
2007-01-09  7:57                           ` David Kastrup
2007-01-09  9:08                             ` Juanma Barranquero
2007-01-09 18:50                               ` Chris Moore
2007-01-09 19:47                                 ` Juanma Barranquero
2007-01-09 22:38                                   ` Stefan Monnier
2007-01-09 23:19                                     ` Juanma Barranquero
2007-01-10  1:12                                       ` Stefan Monnier
2007-01-10  1:37                                       ` Stephen Leake
2007-01-08 22:42                         ` Juanma Barranquero
2007-01-08 23:27                   ` Stefan Monnier
2007-01-08 23:39                     ` Juanma Barranquero
2007-01-09  2:07                       ` Stefan Monnier
2007-01-08 23:32                   ` Stefan Monnier
2007-01-08 23:43                     ` Juanma Barranquero
2007-01-09  0:11                       ` Stuart D. Herring
2007-01-09  0:19                         ` Juanma Barranquero
2007-01-09 13:16                   ` Stephen Leake
2007-01-09 17:57                 ` Richard Stallman
2007-01-09 19:59                   ` Lennart Borgman (gmail)
2007-01-10  1:04                     ` Richard Stallman
2007-01-07  9:04           ` Chris Moore
2007-01-08  5:33             ` Richard Stallman
2007-01-08 13:34               ` Chris Moore
2007-01-08 18:20                 ` David Kastrup [this message]
2007-01-08 21:02                   ` Chris Moore
2007-01-08 21:14                   ` Chris Moore
2007-01-09  0:01                 ` Richard Stallman
2007-01-09  1:08                   ` Chris Moore
2007-01-09 17:57                     ` Richard Stallman
2007-01-09 23:24                       ` Chris Moore
2007-01-09 23:39                         ` Lennart Borgman (gmail)
2007-01-10  1:00                           ` Chris Moore
2007-01-10  1:05                             ` Lennart Borgman (gmail)
2007-01-09  4:40                   ` Stephen J. Turnbull
2007-01-09 21:07                     ` Richard Stallman
2007-01-10  4:23                       ` Stephen J. Turnbull
2007-01-10 23:05                         ` Richard Stallman
2007-01-09 13:07                   ` Stephen Leake
2007-01-09 13:25                     ` Juanma Barranquero
2007-01-09 13:57                       ` Vinicius Jose Latorre
2007-01-09 23:37                         ` Juanma Barranquero
2007-01-15  6:10                         ` Giorgos Keramidas
2007-01-09 22:58                       ` Chris Moore
2007-01-09 23:31                         ` Juanma Barranquero
2007-01-10  1:31                       ` Stephen Leake
2007-01-08  5:33             ` Richard Stallman
2007-01-07 10:05           ` Lennart Borgman (gmail)
2007-01-06  2:55     ` Richard Stallman
2007-01-06  3:16       ` Stefan Monnier
2007-01-06 12:48       ` Chris Moore
2007-01-07  3:47         ` Richard Stallman
2007-01-07  9:21           ` Chris Moore
2007-01-07  9:58             ` Lennart Borgman (gmail)
2007-01-08  5:32             ` Richard Stallman
2007-01-08 14:05               ` Reiner Steib
2007-01-08 14:16                 ` Andreas Schwab
2007-01-08 18:12                   ` Stuart D. Herring
2007-01-09  0:01                 ` Richard Stallman
2007-01-14  2:52                   ` Giorgos Keramidas
2007-01-14 18:55                     ` Sascha Wilde
2007-01-15 14:58                       ` Richard Stallman
2007-01-15 15:14                         ` Jason Rumney
2007-01-19 16:14                           ` Juanma Barranquero
2007-01-19 16:33                             ` Jason Rumney
2007-01-19 17:10                               ` Juanma Barranquero
2007-01-20  2:10                                 ` Richard Stallman
2007-01-20 23:38                                   ` Juanma Barranquero
2007-01-21 22:27                                     ` Richard Stallman
2007-01-21 22:36                                       ` Jason Rumney
2007-01-21 22:47                                         ` Juanma Barranquero
2007-01-22  9:04                                         ` Richard Stallman
2007-01-14 23:23                     ` Richard Stallman
2007-01-15  1:14                       ` Stefan Monnier
2007-01-15  5:59                         ` Giorgos Keramidas
2007-01-15 23:27                         ` Richard Stallman
2007-01-07 11:49           ` Jason Rumney
2007-01-07 16:21             ` Stefan Monnier
2007-01-08  5:33             ` Richard Stallman
2007-01-06  2:55   ` Richard Stallman
2007-01-06 12:42     ` Chris Moore
2007-01-07  3:47       ` Richard Stallman
2007-01-07  9:28         ` Michaël Cadilhac
2007-01-08  5:32           ` Richard Stallman
2007-01-06  2:55 ` Richard Stallman

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